Quote Originally Posted by denuseri View Post
All I am saying is that weather one is purposefully resisting the will of the dominant, doing so because the dominant desires it, or doing it unconsciously as the predominate natural response of human beings at certain points in social dominance hierarchy relationships (no matter how brief said relationship was or how willing a submissive thinks she is during it...she does respond in predictable patterns if one is knowledgeable of such behavioral conditions, then one knows what to expect and how to change things) in some situations even when she doesn't want too and she will do things she knows are wrong simply for the purpose of receiving attention.
I'm sorry, could you unpack that? I lost track of what you were trying to say around the second line.

The term topping from the bottom and the misdirected mentality of those using the term to describe a submissives behavior (no matter how clinically) isn't addressing the real issue.
Agreed in most cases: tftb is a separate issue to "brattiness" in relationships. It only applies in the situation thir describes, where a sub approaches a Dom in what sie intends as a challenging way in the hope of being slapped down.

Its like all the latest research on really bad and prolonged tantrums is revealing that the children shouldn't be blamed for them so much as the parents should for amplifying and prolonging a natural process via inappropriate reactions to it.
I don't see the relevance. Really bad behaviour in a sub, meaning behaviour the Dom doesn't want rather than play-misbehaviour (and the difference may not be apparent from outside the relationship,) may, as you suggest, be a sign that the sub needs and wants more forceful dominance. Or it may simply mean that the relationship isn't working and these two people shouldn't be together. Either way, it has nothing to do with the sort of "brattiness" this.is.me originally asked about, which is a D/s lifestyle choice that doesn't suit her.