Animal Welfare or Veiled Racism?

[denuseri]

Well by that vien hunting is far more cruel, the animal is shot at , stabbed, or hit with a weapon from a distance or up close and as in the case with deer hunting most likely running in terror for a couple miles while they bleed out if the hunter made even the slightest mistake.

The most humane thing would be not to kill them at all.

It doesnt matter to me one way or the other if our dominance comes from the bible or its self justification through evolution, it doesnt relieve us of the responsibility inherient in assuming said dominion and doing it compasionately and wisely.

And even believers in the bible should know, that the bible itself tells them to be goods stewards of the earth, which means being as humanely christian as poosible which in effect means not being cruel soo...

... like in other threads, were religion and such meet, it isnt the religion thats being naughty...its the people themselves twisting what their dogma entails.

Additonally I believe, the Governemnt, would be making a mistake by letting Peta influence it to make some kind of hard stance against the cultural practices of any single cross section of society that isnt doing anything any worse that other cross sections, or failing that they should start with restrictions against those doing the "worse: things, like not going after ritual sluaghter while industrialized animal proccessing is left alone or hunting is allowed.

[thir]

Well by that vien hunting is far more cruel, the animal is shot at , stabbed, or hit with a weapon from a distance or up close and as in the case with deer hunting most likely running in terror for a couple miles while they bleed out if the hunter made even the slightest mistake.

That is why I said done properly, but you are right, of course. However, from the other angle, there is the argument that they have had a natural life first.

Let me put it this way: If we were fewer people and it were possible, I would prefer hunting to the kind of domestic animal abuse we live on now.

As it is, seems to me the idea is to keep animals in as much as natural situation as possible before killing them.

The most humane thing would be not to kill them at all.

I am in doubt here. Anything living has their natural enemies, and that keeps the population down so there is enough food - hopefully. To be killed is natural.

There seems a bit of a collusion between 'humane' and 'natural' -?

Exception is humans, and that is why we are too many.

It doesnt matter to me one way or the other if our dominance comes from the bible or its self justification through evolution, it doesnt relieve us of the responsibility inherient in assuming said dominion and doing it compasionately and wisely.

Absolutely!

And even believers in the bible should know, that the bible itself tells them to be goods stewards of the earth, which means being as humanely christian as poosible which in effect means not being cruel soo...

It does? Well, sadly we do not hear an awful lot about that :-((

Additonally I believe, the Governemnt, would be making a mistake by letting Peta influence it to make some kind of hard stance against the cultural practices of any single cross section of society that isnt doing anything any worse that other cross sections, or failing that they should start with restrictions against those doing the "worse: things, like not going after ritual sluaghter while industrialized animal proccessing is left alone or hunting is allowed.

If we argue like that, nothing will ever be done, because every time you try to change something, a lot of people will claim that XWZ should come first.

Surely the Peta is working on other fronts as well.

It is possible that it is the political climate that favours the possibility of banning the halal/kosher slaughter, but if so, that is the first and only postive thing that has ever come out of it.

Politically, it would be very smart to follow it up with better animal protection laws for the rest of the field as well, in fact, that should have been a part of the whole thing.

[leo9]

Additonally I believe, the Governemnt, would be making a mistake by letting Peta influence it to make some kind of hard stance against the cultural practices of any single cross section of society that isnt doing anything any worse that other cross sections, or failing that they should start with restrictions against those doing the "worse: things, like not going after ritual sluaghter while industrialized animal proccessing is left alone or hunting is allowed.

If the move against ritual slaughter were included in a general cleanup of slaughterhouse practices, I would believe that it was motivated by an honest concern for animal welfare. A law specifically targeting ritual slaughter is a blatant piece of headline-grabbing by politicians wanting to have it both ways - please the right wing by bashing Muslims, while staying cool with the left by promising they're only doing it for the good of the animals.

If I were a parliamentary member wanting to stop this, I'd put down an amendment to add bans on a raft of other cruel and profitable factory farming practices, and let the media watch the government tap-dancing as they try to explain why their new-found concern for animal welfare stops at the door of the hallal butcher's.

[denuseri]

If the move against ritual slaughter were included in a general cleanup of slaughterhouse practices, I would believe that it was motivated by an honest concern for animal welfare. A law specifically targeting ritual slaughter is a blatant piece of headline-grabbing by politicians wanting to have it both ways - please the right wing by bashing Muslims, while staying cool with the left by promising they're only doing it for the good of the animals.

If I were a parliamentary member wanting to stop this, I'd put down an amendment to add bans on a raft of other cruel and profitable factory farming practices, and let the media watch the government tap-dancing as they try to explain why their new-found concern for animal welfare stops at the door of the hallal butcher's.

I agree with what your saying wholeheartedly when it comes to the politicians being ass hatts on this, too bad no one is calling them out... yet I do not see prejudice against cultures of the middle east as being a "right wing" thing anymore than support of muslim extremiests and terroristsa as a "left wing" thing, if you catch my meaning.