The Church orders Wives to Submit to their Husbands

[Flaming_Redhead]

Now the question I am asking is, has the church now really lost the plot, in a time when the church is saying that the congregation is very low, were these the right words to say. In a time of sexual equality has this Vicar the right to say these things in public, is he now guilty of bigotry? Is it time to say that the church has no place in modern society, because it is obvious that the church cannot move with the times? Since when have any of Gods laws been higher than the law of the land since the UK repealed capital punishment?

I've listened to the sermon, and I heard absolutely nothing going against the Bible. Therefore, they were the right words for the church to say, and unless the UK lacks free speech and freedom of religion, the vicar has a right to say them. The vicar is guilty only of teaching God's word to Christians. Do a Google search on the city of Corinth during the time of Paul. It was a thriving metropolis, bigger than Athens, with many self-made men and women as well as male and female athletes, etc. I don't think times are so different now that what the Bible says is irrelevant. If one is a Christian, there is no law higher than God's law.

[Thorne]

If one is a Christian, there is no law higher than God's law.

And THIS is what scares the hell out of atheists. THIS is what let's men think it's okay to drive planes into buildings. THIS is what let's self-righteous lunatics kill doctors in the guise of saving lives. THIS is what lets parents torture their children instead of giving them medicines.

Anyone who places a god's law above man's law is opening the door to hatred, intolerance and bigotry.

God's law allows you to kill your enemies, right down to the last man, woman and child, saving only the virgins for your own amusement. (Numbers 31:1-18)

God's law allows the owning of slaves. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

It is MAN'S laws which make us civilized.

[Flaming_Redhead]

Anyone who places a god's law above man's law is opening the door to hatred, intolerance and bigotry.

It is MAN'S laws which make us civilized.

Frankly, I don't see what the Quran has to do with this thread, but anyway, civilization is as subjective as the god(s) people worship and the laws they obey.

1 Peter, chapter 2 verses 13-14 say, "Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men."

[Thorne]

Frankly, I don't see what the Quran has to do with this thread, but anyway, civilization is as subjective as the god(s) people worship and the laws they obey.

While the OP dealt with a Christian Vicar, the idea of women subordinating themselves to men runs through many other faiths. And unless you are claiming that Christianity is the only true religion, and therefore it is only the Christian God's law which must be followed, then the Quran, the Book of Mormon and any other religious text is just as valid a reference as the Bible.

[Bren122]

While the OP dealt with a Christian Vicar, the idea of women subordinating themselves to men runs through many other faiths. And unless you are claiming that Christianity is the only true religion, and therefore it is only the Christian God's law which must be followed, then the Quran, the Book of Mormon and any other religious text is just as valid a reference as the Bible.

The original OP was a discussion of a particular Biblical text; the views of other religions on the matter are irrelevant.