Waterboarding Hyprocrisy

[SadisticNature]

Well, I do have some familiarity with the topic, but my sources are not in question. Yours are.

You are finally starting to show some evidence of this. How about actually articulating your own viewpoint with sources rather than finding ways to avoid actually talking about this.

Instead of having a discussion you attack:
(i) My Sources
(ii) When I provide the sources I used you wanted me to spend the time looking up exact quotes in them.
(iii) My choice of location for posting
(iv) Various little quips and barbs along the way by both of us.

[DuncanONeil]

Providing sources? I have had others do this in the past. Provide the title of a complete book. Then complaining when that book is not found and read in order to find the segment that they purport supports their argument.
As example I earlier quoted something from a specific source. The quote is the support, which I followed with data that would allow anyone to seek it out for comparison or analysis.

All you do is present a title of several books each of several hundred pages. See the difference? See the problem in your style of listing supporting documentation?

You are finally starting to show some evidence of this. How about actually articulating your own viewpoint with sources rather than finding ways to avoid actually talking about this.

Instead of having a discussion you attack:
(i) My Sources
(ii) When I provide the sources I used you wanted me to spend the time looking up exact quotes in them.
(iii) My choice of location for posting
(iv) Various little quips and barbs along the way by both of us.

[TwistedTails]

Well it is a user edited encyclopedia, and some of the stuff off of the beaten path may not be entirely accurate. But, I would think that The Philippines with an English speaking national population of 92 million, a literacy rate of 94.3% of which 24 million have internet access and an additional 11 million Filipinos worldwide, someone may have made an edit if something were not as it should be. If the entry is wrong and you have proof but the author won't change it? Best thing about Wikipedia is if you want to dispute an entry you have to bring your proof, whoever has the best proof wins. It's a real annoyance to revisionists both Private and Government alike.

But you don't have to use it, feel free to link to any resource that you like. Or point out the inaccuracies. (with evidence )

You are finally starting to show some evidence of this. How about actually articulating your own viewpoint with sources rather than finding ways to avoid actually talking about this.

Instead of having a discussion you attack:
(i) My Sources
(ii) When I provide the sources I used you wanted me to spend the time looking up exact quotes in them.
(iii) My choice of location for posting
(iv) Various little quips and barbs along the way by both of us.

I have been citing references, I could cite better if you could narrow down your primal scream of anti Americanism. Was there a US vs Philippines war? Yes its right here.

Philippine American War

No conspiracy exists to hide it. Did the US during that war use a method called "the water cure" Yes, its documented. Did they do it to millions as you imply in another post. No. The number that died from the war then number that died of the plague that erupted during the war? Over a million. It is there. Its not hidden.

Talking about what? Everything coherent you have posted up to this point has been properly noted or rebutted by myself or another poster, except for some rather racist lyrics (and the Taft statement and that's just too easy if you will not post sources for a counter claim.) In fact most of what you have posted was covered under "Yes that's the way it was back then"

If you are going to accuse me of not citing sources You should make sure you are not the one running into the room holding a book screaming believe this! Keep it up and the moderators will move this thread to Religion LOL

(i) My Sources
You didn't provide any.
(ii) When I provide the sources I used you wanted me to spend the time looking up exact quotes in them.
Well, actually someone else said that, but yes I agree. I think it is only fair. This is an open discussion, do you expect everyone to run out and "buy the book" just to participate?
(iii) My choice of location for posting
I gave you my reasoning on this before. It still stands. But again, That's up to the moderators. Let's let them worry about that shall we?
(iv) Various little quips and barbs along the way by both of us.
Me? I have not yet begun to "Quip" I'm a big fan of Don Rickles LOL

[TwistedTails]

except for some rather racist comments

My sincere apologies, this should read "some rather racist lyrics" if a moderator could correct this I would be gratefull.
Again, My apologies.

[damyanti]

Well it is a user edited encyclopedia, and some of the stuff off of the beaten path may not be entirely accurate. But, I would think that The Philippines with an English speaking national population of 92 million, a literacy rate of 94.3% of which 24 million have internet access and an additional 11 million Filipinos worldwide, someone may have made an edit if something were not as it should be. If the entry is wrong and you have proof but the author won't change it? Best thing about Wikipedia is if you want to dispute an entry you have to bring your proof, whoever has the best proof wins. It's a real annoyance to revisionists both Private and Government alike.

But you don't have to use it, feel free to link to any resource that you like. Or point out the inaccuracies. (with evidence )

Actually that is very far from the truth. There have been numerous instances where common knowledge facts have been constantly corrected by Wikipedia because of all the cliquey games on the debates forum, it is not true that anyone can correct things, unless you are part of a clique and just a regular Joe trying to give a little something back the truth gets reverted to the party line in a matter of minutes....just as its true that its founder himself has proved that several times by abusing it himself. Wikipedia may be an ok resource to start you off on a topic, but it is a very dangerous thing the way people have started to use it as the beginning and the end of their research.

All of that is a matter for perhaps another thread on the credibility of Wikipedia...and just to clarify, this had nothing with a pointless debate on sources in this thread, but rather my distaste for all dictatorships, including Wikipedia.

[damyanti]

1. USA employs a hypocritical double standard when it comes to the use of torture and the international rules of war. Fact.

2. You are never going to be able to have a rational discussion on that on a Forum populated by U.S. Americans who think Glenn Beck is sane, lol. Most of them have a tough time stomaching any critique on their government policies. They will never argue the issue, but rather attack you personally. There are good intelligent people here (American and any other nationality you can think of) and you can discus it rationally in private with them, but in public.....*shrugs*

3. On the other threads that water-boarding has been debated, it has been proven numerous times that it is not effective, but rather that it is counter-productive. Numerous documents have come out now that show Bush, Cheney and co. lied about its effectiveness and how it was used.

4.Water-boarding is torture. If you have a face to defend it....I can not come up with a description that would accurately describe what a disgusting, low form of life that makes you....and if I were you, I would take a very hard look at myself and my own conscience and what kind of a person you are, and how that makes you appear to whatever Divinity you believe or don't believe in. All torture is wrong. No matter who does it and when it was done. There is and never will be moral justification for it. Violence only births more violence. That is what History teaches us, just as it shows that only when we can go above petty feelings of searching for revenge that we create lasting peace and prosperous societies. But hey, that would require thinking and studying...better to succumb to baser instincts, to succumb to manipulative rethorics (weather secular or religious) of hate, blood and gore.

5. I stopped following these threads and I come rarely to this site anymore because intelligent and respectful debates are rare. I clicked on this thread because I recently read a a lot of stuff on a similar topic (The Forgotten Highlander by Alistair Urquhart) but I don't know why I bothered, cause it was so predictable that it is not even funny, the people, the reactions, the jibes...but I was disgusted by the racist comments, that was a new low.

Peace out, peeps.

[DuncanONeil]

2. You are never going to be able to have a rational discussion on that on a Forum populated by U.S. Americans who think Glenn Beck is sane, lol.

What is it about Glenn Beck that makes you think he is insane?