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    Keeping the Ahh in Kajira
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    <<has taken martial arts before, it helped lil ole me about as much as shooting rubber bands at godzilla

    realistically speaking my skill level would have to equal or exceed bruce lees to be able to take down guys that are litterally twice my size even if they had no training

    physics are physics

    I see many many women told to take matial arts and after a couple classess go about naively with the same sence of security as if they had a gun.

    I have also personally heard far too many stories from those same women survivors of rape and other viloent crimes attesting as to how little if any effectivness thier training had in a real life situation defending themselves from single let alone multiple attackers intent on raping them or worse.



    Some facts available on statistics if you bother to look them up:

    Department of Justice victim studies show that overall, when rape is
    attempted, the completion rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself
    with a gun
    , the completion rate drops to 3%.

    For all rapes, woman who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist, and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun.”

    Overall victimization studies show that for all violent crimes, including
    assault, rape, and robbery, the safest course for the victim is to
    resist with a firearm.

    The second safest course is passive compliance
    with the attacker, but this tactic approximately doubles the probability
    of death or injury for the victim.

    All other tactics (mace, whistles,
    hand-to-hand combat, screams, and so forth) have even worse outcomes.


    (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000)



    So why is the anti-gunners' answer to violence is to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms, or the right to bear them for self-defense?

    ??hummmmm??

    Could it be thier agenda isnt about defending the law abiding people of the nation from the criminals at all?

    Could it be perhaps that they are more conserned with defending thier government from an armed populace and are will to stoop so low as to play on the naivety of the well meaning massess to do it?

    Sounds far more likely to me.
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    denuseri, I'm with you. Defending yourself with a gun is far more effective than not. But trying to defend yourself with a gun can be difficult, especially if the gun is not readily accessible. I believe that learning some other form of self defense can be just as important. A knee to your attacker's groin just might give you enough time to get that gun. And if you can break his kneecap he's not likely to be able to chase you if you run.

    Against multiple attackers, though, all bets are off. Unless you are ready to open fire immediately and shoot to kill you're not likely to survive the attack.

    An AK-47 might help!
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    as i hope you can tell from my posts i'm all for guns, but considering that they are getting harder to obtain for law abiding citizens i felt that the martial arts plug was appropriate.

    i was never a big guy (6' 130lbs soaking wet lol) until a couple years ago when i became a gym rat out of boredom. so i can tell you and anyone else and i will defend this till i turn blue that size doesn't matter. its all in the mind, the willingness to be trained and a capacity for physical violence. also choosing the right martial art matters. some are good, some are useless. all i can say on that is do the research.

    i agree theres no substitute for a gun, and also emphatically with your point about the gov't disarming a potentially restless populace. i would say take that one step further and look at how this country is in general becoming a society of victims. children are encouraged to never fight, never confront, avoid conflict, seek out an authority figure for help, no matter how small the problem. we are fostering a culture of weakness.

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    As previously stated I allready did do the "reaserch". I also took akendo first hand from a japanese sensei with an emphasis in jujistu/akido (the style known for using the opponents size against them etc), 3 years worth in okinawa with my father who also taught force recon marines hand to hand combat.

    THANK GOD he also taught me to shoot.

    I will certianly agree that soceity as been transvaluating values and twisting morality to "pussify" and emasculate each generation. It has been happening ever since the supposed "reniesance" and continues to this day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denuseri View Post
    soceity as been transvaluating values and twisting morality to "pussify" and emasculate each generation. It has been happening ever since the supposed "reniesance" and continues to this day.

    Hahaha.

    I agree. And it's working.

    Sadly enough.
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    Or maybe I'll say "um" a lot and trip over things.

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    i'm a product of the pussification of america lol. i learned 'strength from an odd source; a book called zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. (it also pushed me into my current field of work) and just one little paragraph did it. it talks about a greek word/concept - arrete, meaning excellence. meaning that one strives to run like a wolf, fight like a bear, argue like a lawyer, spout poetry like led zepplin, sing like, well, led zepplin (lmfao), etc, because to do anything less than excell in all that one does would displease the gods.

    books change lives. strange... and completely OT. sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denuseri View Post

    So why is the anti-gunners' answer to violence is to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms, or the right to bear them for self-defense?

    ??hummmmm??

    Could it be thier agenda isnt about defending the law abiding people of the nation from the criminals at all?

    Could it be perhaps that they are more conserned with defending thier government from an armed populace and are will to stoop so low as to play on the naivety of the well meaning massess to do it?

    Sounds far more likely to me.
    thanks for the stats!

    I totally agree with this. I have no idea why someone would want to submit to their government. Why they would be so willing to hand over their defenses to a group of people who can't deliver a simple message effectivley.
    I have yet to see a government "save it's people".

    I have also yet to see a convincing argument for gun control as well.
    I ask for so little. Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave.

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