And I used to be such a nice guy...

[Kuskovian]

" My ideal sub is a strong self-willed woman whose submission is valuable because it comes from love and trust. You can't give yourself if you don't own yourself." by leo9.

Because it was well worth repeating.

It sounds like what I have seen and heard many times. The liberalization of society has taught us to be converse to the many inclinations of man, to do what comes unnaturally as opposed to the natural it began in the west with the advent of Chistianity in some peoples opinion.

The "Transvaluation of Values" mentioned by Nietzsche and the "Bio-Truths of Dr. Lange (John Norman); as well as many other philosophers, consistantly point out how modern political and social values have been twisted to emasculate mankind, which does a great dis-service to both man and woman.

It is my opinion that your second guessing yourself comes from the many years of phycological conditioning that this society has fostered upon you against your will.

It should pass with time and experience.

[leo9]

It sounds like what I have seen and heard many times. The liberalization of society has taught us to be converse to the many inclinations of man, to do what comes unnaturally as opposed to the natural it began in the west with the advent of Chistianity in some peoples opinion.

Dark Age Christianity didn't preach equality and democracy: it taught that submitting to those above you was God's will, and ruling those below you harshly was good for their souls. In Northern Europe it imposed hierarchical values on a society that had been egalitarian and individualistic, and pulled women down from being more or less equal. Not exactly the coming of fluffy liberal ways.

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The "Transvaluation of Values" mentioned by Nietzsche and the "Bio-Truths of Dr. Lange (John Norman); as well as many other philosophers, consistantly point out how modern political and social values have been twisted to emasculate mankind, which does a great dis-service to both man and woman.
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That's their opinion. Others argue that the natural state of humans, like our close primate relatives, is co-operation, with dominance used only as a minor social tool. The widespread rule of warlords and tough males is an aberation from which our species has begun to recover. (Right now the recovery doesn't look so good, but we can hope.)

We can enjoy and benefit from playing with the leftover instincts for peck-order living, just as we play with the instincts for hunting and fighting, but it's neither necessary nor healthy to build society around them.

If D/s arises because some are "born to rule" and others have an inborn need to submit, where does that leave switches like me?