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    Being a person from Florida during the last 2 presidential elections and quite a few others. The Gore loss was very bad with a lot of votes being tossed out because of the hanging chad and strangely enough seemed to happen mostly in the areas that were heavily for Gore.

    During the Kerry non-election the same kind of tactic happened in Ohio and again in Florida. I know little of Ohio other then again a republican in power stopped the recount and investigation. In Florida Katherine Harris who was the head of elections also ran the Bush campaign in Florida and if memory serves it was the same next election in Ohio.

    How can we crow about our freedoms when anyone can be that biased and in a position of power to be sure that his or her person has such an unfair power over the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Russell View Post
    Being a person from Florida during the last 2 presidential elections and quite a few others. The Gore loss was very bad with a lot of votes being tossed out because of the hanging chad and strangely enough seemed to happen mostly in the areas that were heavily for Gore.

    During the Kerry non-election the same kind of tactic happened in Ohio and again in Florida. I know little of Ohio other then again a republican in power stopped the recount and investigation. In Florida Katherine Harris who was the head of elections also ran the Bush campaign in Florida and if memory serves it was the same next election in Ohio.

    How can we crow about our freedoms when anyone can be that biased and in a position of power to be sure that his or her person has such an unfair power over the outcome.
    Sir you sound like a great American that cares about our country. Most Dem. and Reb. are just like you. We all care. As a young boy just after WWII elections were hotly contested. One thing we were taught in school was one of the greatest American values that after the election was over that whoever one, we need to support that person for the good of the country. Every losing candidate would generally proudly state that the winner was his President.

    That attitude has greatly changed. The press, I think is greatly at fault. Tricks like the N.Y. Times has recently pulled on John McCain and Hillary is good examples. With right wing newspapers doing the same to both parties the fight goes on.

    The Dem's have used 71/2 years trying to get even with Bush. If our country had united behind the total war effort after 9/11, an unified front may have forced an end to the war already.

    If there would have been any real evidence of illegality in the 2000 and 2004 elections, especially in 2000, don't you think the liberal Supreme Court would have intervened? I am sure that on both sides there were illegalities but none so assume to reverse the election for the Presidnet.

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    This thread focuses on experience That the USSR took advantage of JFK's experience level is an accepted fact. The results of youthful enthusiasm of JFK remain with us today. China is dealing for oil off the southern cost of Fl., first it was the USSR in our hemisphere, then China, next what? JFK was the first president to sacrifice the Monroe Doctrine. That's experience for you.

    Obama has that same youthful enthusiasm. He could make a great president. But, will our enemies give him enough time to learn on the job? Like it or not, we can not afford to lose this war. The consequences will be everlasting. It has been the threat of another 9/11. But a greater threat will happen if Iran has the bomb.

    Who do you want operating on your brain, the results of which can not be reversed? Do you want a surgeon soloing for first time or an experienced surgeon? Think about it. The president will not be dealing with kind hearted, reasonable friends that you can simply strike up a conversation at any time. Our enemies know well what they want. Peace at any cost must not be our naive approach. Who do you think our enemies hope wins the elections in 2008?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmrs2 View Post
    This thread focuses on experience That the USSR took advantage of JFK's experience level is an accepted fact. The results of youthful enthusiasm of JFK remain with us today. China is dealing for oil off the southern cost of Fl., first it was the USSR in our hemisphere, then China, next what? JFK was the first president to sacrifice the Monroe Doctrine. That's experience for you.

    Obama has that same youthful enthusiasm. He could make a great president. But, will our enemies give him enough time to learn on the job? Like it or not, we can not afford to lose this war. The consequences will be everlasting. It has been the threat of another 9/11. But a greater threat will happen if Iran has the bomb.

    Who do you want operating on your brain, the results of which can not be reversed? Do you want a surgeon soloing for first time or an experienced surgeon? Think about it. The president will not be dealing with kind hearted, reasonable friends that you can simply strike up a conversation at any time. Our enemies know well what they want. Peace at any cost must not be our naive approach. Who do you think our enemies hope wins the elections in 2008?
    I apprciate you remarks, but my father had a Heart Attack 11 years ago, they brought in a surgeon who has been a Cardilogist for 25 plus years very highly regarded ect, ect, and he meesed up the surgey on my father, so to me, you can have all the experience in the world, it may not mean a thing
    having experience and doing the right things may not be the same, George Bush was Governemor of Texas for many, many years, okk what he has done to our Country in 7 years, dystroyed the Ecomomy, has greated a National DEbt that will take Genenrarions upno Generations to pay off if ever, did nothing for the Katrin Victims, lok at New orleams now, I will not go on and on, but thereality is As a Governor he had many years of "Running" a State Governemnt, look what he has doneto the Federal Governemnt in 7 1/2 years, Gas Price, Our Ecomony, 2 WArs with no end in sight, Billions spent on those alone and we have debts as i said that our grandchildrens children will be paying off

    I might add President Bill Clinton left office in 2001 with a federal budget surplus of $127 billion. President George Bush ran a deficit of $319 billion in 2005. So who deserves more credit for fighting red ink?
    Our Debt is now over 1 Trilion Dollars, quite a difference in 7 years from a $127 billion dollar surplus
    and Bush wasnts a $3.2 Trillion Dolar Budget for 2009, never berofre in histiry have be had a budget over 1 Trillion Dollars
    as I said experience does not mean everything

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