Do you believe in miracles?

[TomOfSweden]

Are people having two different discussions here.

Miracle = something unbelievably extraordinary.

or

Miracle = there's an external, (possibly intelligent) entity that can suspend the laws of nature, ie perform magic.

They're arguably the same thing. I suspect that it's just that some people have a wee bit too high trust in their faculties and draw the conclusion, "I don't get it, therefore it is magic".

I wouldn't be surprised if the border between these two interpretations simply comes down to what level of education you've passed.

I believe in miracles to. But I don't see any shame in not understanding everything.

[Ozme52]

Are people having two different discussions here.

Miracle = something unbelievably extraordinary.

or

Miracle = there's an external, (possibly intelligent) entity that can suspend the laws of nature, ie perform magic.

They're arguably the same thing. I suspect that it's just that some people have a wee bit too high trust in their faculties and draw the conclusion, "I don't get it, therefore it is magic".

Well therein lies the issue. Where does science end.

I wouldn't be surprised if the border between these two interpretations simply comes down to what level of education you've passed.

I think you're spot on Tom. But I'll go a step further and suggest that those who believe in a 'miracle-performing god' think mankind has now learned all there is to learn and everything else must be God's works.

I believe in miracles to.

I also can easily use that word to help others understand my wonder and awe...

But I don't see any shame in not understanding everything.

...in the things I don't understand... today.

[TomOfSweden]

Well therein lies the issue. Where does science end.

I think it's even simpler. Some people are just more critically minded than others. That's a skill that is taught in schools, not necessarily by science institutions. And it can also be learned simply by living life. The scientific discussions on the gods existence from a scientific view, are on such a high level that it's mostly just an amusing parlour game. The supernatural religions fails before it even comes to the point where science is relevant. They're always forced to make mind boggling assumptions, for which they have absolutely no basis. This doesn't make it wrong, but it does question the basis for faith. There's a world of difference between having a theory which sounds compelling and having faith in it. I guess what makes scientifically minded people different is there ability to have faith in several different theories, and apply a ratio between how great the possibility is that any of them is right.

Christianity 000.1, Islam 000.1, Judaism 00000.1, Buddhism 000.3, Hinduism 000.1, Flying Spagghetti monster 000.1. aww god I'm cruel now. Sorry about that. The subject of religion is just asking for it.