How to bring a new gf without experience into bdsm??

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Thank You! As a guy who is (or would be if...) submissive, it is a constant wonder to me why guys that fancy themselves as "dominant" seem to feel that any girl they are interested in couldn't possibly be dominant as well. It goes way beyond simple wishful thinking on their part. Almost like they are (secretly) insecure in their masculinity?

I was kind of thinking that too...and like Curtis, I re-read the thread 3 times to make sure I wasn't missing anything. I'm sure you were joking about the "insecure in their masculinity" bit though. Not a quip I would make around here since it is for the most part a M/Dom/f/sub club and Tourguide's less-than-charming answer is probably the least of what you could expect if you touch a nerve.

There's a thread around here about Dom's hitting on Dommes and why it happens so much. I think your point is along similar lines to that phenomenon. I was at a munch recently where a M/Dom we had met was flirting with my mistress in a dominant fashion. She was polite, but as intelligent as he was, he just didn't get that she wasn't going to flirt back--even though he defninitely knew her role. We both thought that was weird.

And then there's the fact that about 75% of females involved in BDSM are submissive.

I'm sure that's true... but at this point she's not "involved in BDSM" and maybe, just maybe she's like the clear majority of human beings and not turned on by either role.

Besides, he mentioned in his post that they had talked about tying her up or holding her down.

Not really. He said: " I tried holding her hands tight above her head, a bit dominantly and she didn't seem to mind." Hell, I do that to my 100% Domme gf in the course of vanilla sex. She likes it, but it would be a cold day in hell before she'd let me put handcuffs on her.

Actually, I introduced her to BDSM. When we met, and had dated for a while I brought up the subject. She was interested and wanted to try. Her first experiment was as a f/sub... I tied her, just how I would have wanted on my first time. Turns out, she didn't like the feeling at all--and soon discovered she liked the control. That was good for me, of course cause I really don't think I'm a switch at all.

So what I'm really trying to say is: although this thread is filled with good advice, Mnemonic is hoping that a vanilla girl will try bdsm and like it. Regardless of who tops whom, if she thinks it is "scary and weird" as he said, then it's not likely that it is a latent, undiscovered turn-on for her.