The Civil War

[IAN 2411]

You then wind up with another Europe, many small nation-states constantly at war with one another.

I would like you to explain that, or are you talking about WW11....let me see that was 67 years ago. I would also like to point out that the Euro Countries might at this moment be arguing with each other, but they will always be a United Europe. Even if the European Union breaks up that is only the Federal part of a United Europe. Meaning just like your Federal Government and the Individual States, if the Federal Government colapses you will still have the United States. I believe i would be correct in saying that the Federal Government is the only thing holding the individual states together now. Dito with Europe. You are arguing in circles.

Be well IAN 2411

[Thorne]

I would like you to explain that, or are you talking about WW11....let me see that was 67 years ago.

No, I was referring more to Europe as it existed from roughly the fall of the Roman Empire up through WWI. The individual nations of Europe existed in a seemingly continuous state of war with one or more other nations of Europe for a very long time.

I would also like to point out that the Euro Countries might at this moment be arguing with each other, but they will always be a United Europe.

Yes, they do appear to be cooperating now. And it's only taken them roughly 200 years to catch up with the US.

Even if the European Union breaks up that is only the Federal part of a United Europe. Meaning just like your Federal Government and the Individual States, if the Federal Government colapses you will still have the United States.

Without a centralized government, the United States ceases to exist. Oh, some states will remain united, forming coalitions or confederations. Other states (Texas for one, in all probability) would likely go off on their own, establishing their own national governments and policies. Some border states might even decide to join with Canada or Mexico, for security reasons if nothing else.

I believe i would be correct in saying that the Federal Government is the only thing holding the individual states together now. Dito with Europe. You are arguing in circles.

You say that even if the Federal Government collapses the states would hold together, then say that the only thing holding them together is the Federal Government? Talk about arguing in circles!

I will say that one major benefit that the US has over Europe is having a single (up to now) language. Take a person from almost anywhere in the US and plop him down almost anywhere else and he will be able to understand, and be understood by, those around him. On the other hand, perhaps one of the benefits of having so many different languages, like Europe, is that you tend to learn about other people when you have to learn their language. When you aren't busy either killing them or trying to keep them from killing you.

[thir]

On the other hand, perhaps one of the benefits of having so many different languages, like Europe, is that you tend to learn about other people when you have to learn their language. When you aren't busy either killing them or trying to keep them from killing you.

This is not always the case, as is shown with whites and indians in the early days.
But the killing is the same.