That's what I needed: an unbelievably concise response. Fox, I was prepared to ‘man my guns’ as soon as the notification of your post came to my email. But, after reading your reply, I now see what you meant originally, and thus I see where the appeal of snuff stories can possible.

Odd that we completely agree about the wrongness of taking both human and animal life for sport when our views towards the world of snuff fantasy are so polar.

Regarding the mass murderers you mentioned, I see how their mention supports your position and it seems obvious now that I look at it that way. I guess what I was seeing as the primary thrust of my argument is the fact that the killers for sexual gratification do not enter anything into the gene pool and their existence in humanity is an aberration, not a norm. Looking at it that way, society tries to capture or kill the deviant individuals, not allow them to "get off" on their behaviour any longer than possible. That doesn't mean that they do not exist. As you pointed out, they surely do.

It was my own pre-judgmental revulsion with the moment of someone’s death being the moment of another sexual gratification that shielded me from a realization I still find it terrible to grasp.

What I had asked for in my first post, you have carefully expounded upon and brought me an (albeit revolting) understanding. Please accept my prior expostulating as merely the ranting of the yet-to-be enlightened.

But do not let my subjugation regarding unpleasant realities of life lure you into the false belief I will read or enjoy snuff stories, even as I have a deeper understand of their appeal. I still find this entire subject as revolting as I did before. For each, her (or his) own but thank goodness for the coding “snuff”.

PS Your PPS is accurate and, being French, I should have known that long before you pointed it out, damn it.



Originally posted by Fox
It was not my intention to sidetrack the issue into the world of domestic animals. My apologies. I was using a personal example of how the act of killing will have different interpretations according to the individual involved.

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Now for the big question... Can anyone see here a comparable need in humans?
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As has been observed already, Nikka presents the case from the submissive perspective. The dominant – the one who is doing the killing – has an entirely different motivation, and I suggest that there is a tremendous erotic appeal to the power of taking someone’s life. Civilized people hunt for sport … we accept hunting certain species as “normal” – who’s to say that to a fan of snuff, hunting humans is not perfectly acceptable?

I would like to point out, by the way, that I am not a fan of snuff stories. I do not read them, and in general, do not like them. I accept that death is part of the natural order of things, and that violent death is also part of how life unfolds. Hence I have written and will continue to write death into my stories. I do not approve of the taking of a human life or an animal life for pleasure.

But I am very certain that it happens.


Ps. Alex, an intelligent thread. Thank you.

Pps. If memory serves me well, the French slang for orgasm is “la petite mort” – the little death.