subs defending their masters

[PinkSugar]

Sorry you have had a few rough days. Drama what can I say about that other than life really would be boring with out some degree of it. Not only that, but it is those experiences that we learn and grow from. It is what forms us into the person we are and it is usually the tougher more difficult times that actually teach us to better our selves in some way.

Now, about a sub being agressive and domly....
I know it is not proper to answer a question with a question, but why is it that subs, even amoung those in the BDSM lifestyle are considered weak ?

Sure, there are head cases that are subs because they think they deserve 'abuse' And just as many D's out there who look for those types just because they want to abuse.

However I have found when you find a true sub, who has worked through the issues...they are well aware that it is not true abuse, they just happen to enjoy things society may deem as abuse. They dont loose thier back bone, if any thing they find it.
They are much stronger than they are given credit for.

It sounds as if your Lisa is one of those, if she is not allowing her self to be abused. Then it should not be surprising at all that she would become defensive over you her master whom she probably loves as much as her self.

[Ozme52]

Now, about a sub being agressive and domly....
I know it is not proper to answer a question with a question, but why is it that subs, even amoung those in the BDSM lifestyle are considered weak ?

I never saw him say weak. He said aggressive (and domly) with others, while remaining pliable to him.

In fact, what's better, from the dominant perspective, (or at least mine,) than a strong and competent woman who bends to my will?

Generally dominants are not the ones who equate submission with weakness. It's usually submissives who "read" it into what we actually say.

[Lisais mine]

In fact, what's better, from the dominant perspective, (or at least mine,) than a strong and competent woman who bends to my will?

true dat, yo!

[PinkSugar]

I never saw him say weak. He said aggressive (and domly) with others, while remaining pliable to him.

Your right, he did not say weak. I took the word pliable...easily bendable, and thought from that it was perhaps something he saw in the same light as being a weakness.

He asked for thoughts, and that IS what I was thinking. Not all of my thoughts are the right ones, or even good ones. Sometimes, I even like my bad thoughts the best, but hey that's another post.

I would however like to apologize if I spoke too quickly, or made assumptions where I shouldnt have. In my own self defense I am very new to this forum. I have not yet learned who's who...and such.

[Miner]

I would however like to apologize if I spoke too quickly, or made assumptions where I shouldnt have. In my own self defense I am very new to this forum. I have not yet learned who's who...and such.

In my book, there is no need to apologize for speaking from your heart, pink.

As with your girl, Lisais_mine - my girl can be a real tiger in defending me - not just when I'm vulnerable, but also if she perceives some sort of 'threat' to me as well.

She's a strong, intelligent woman who submits to me completely. I have a gut feeling that what happens (with my girl at least, and likely with a lot of other strong subs) is some form of maternal instinct that kicks in when she thinks there is a need to protect. She doesn't mother me - but she definitely has my back (as I have hers).

[Pearlgem]

Generally dominants are not the ones who equate submission with weakness. It's usually submissives who "read" it into what we actually say.

I might have thought I understood it once but fail completely to understand it now why sub after sub (in general, not getting at anyone in particular here) invariably stresses the point that she's the strong/feisty/bratty/challenging type, the implication being that there will be the presumption otherwise that she's a pushover or that submission equals weakness. I know that subs do what they do through desire not weakness. Doms know this. Subs know it too. Kinksters in general know it. So why are we constantly implying even amongst ourselves that if we don't state otherwise we'll be labelled 'weak'? This is a vanilla misconception about our lifestyle and we're not vanilla.

I long for the day I see a sub post begin, 'I am a doormat...' at least being out and proud about it!

[jezabel]

I might have thought I understood it once but fail completely to understand it now why sub after sub (in general, not getting at anyone in particular here) invariably stresses the point that she's the strong/feisty/bratty/challenging type, the implication being that there will be the presumption otherwise that she's a pushover or that submission equals weakness. I know that subs do what they do through desire not weakness. Doms know this. Subs know it too. Kinksters in general know it. So why are we constantly implying even amongst ourselves that if we don't state otherwise we'll be labelled 'weak'? This is a vanilla misconception about our lifestyle and we're not vanilla.

I long for the day I see a sub post begin, 'I am a doormat...' at least being out and proud about it!

im a sub/slave to my master and proud of it...with him im non-challenging, ive given him total surrender, rarely bratty (only in play) and would NEVER seek to disrespect him

i do this because i love him, plain and simple...but still if someone disrespected him, and if for some reason he couldnt defend himself, i would do so in a heart beat......not because i have to show that im strong/feisty/ bratty etc but because he means the world to me....as i know he would do the same for me, whether in a vanilla situation or kink

i was a doormat for my ex husband...its different to being a sub, you have no control, no self esteem and i would never want to be like that again and my master wouldnt want me to be