Quote Originally Posted by bambina View Post
I vote no simply because the gift giver (subs) are the ones who get the reward. The affect it has on the Dom is just another result. Submissives aren't submissive for the sake of somebody else. They are submissive because of the the perks that come with submission. because I guarantee that if a submissive didn't get any joy out of being a sub then she ouldn't be one, even if he loved one wished it so. It's sort of like a guy buying a flat screen TV 'for the family' when we all know who it's really for.
I hope both subs and Doms get joy from being what they are and I assume they both do it because it's really what they want to do.

But you're missing the point of the dynamics involved if you think that the sub gets only selfish gratification for submissive behaviour and the Dom gets 'just another result.' I personally think it would be pointless being so superficially involved with someone like that. I prize my submission and my relationship with my Dom much more highly than that. I need to give him my submission and he needs to take it but it's by no means always easy. He allows me to give him that which he prizes above all else. That last bit of giving, pleasing, willing and total submission to his desires - that's the gift he allows me to give him because he is who he is and I am who I am. It's almost a mystical union.

Otherwise, why not just masturbate?