Oz, good thread thanks

Seem we have 2 differing points of view on says the women are in control the other says the Doms are.

In vanilla life I agree that the women are in control do the choosing and call most of the shots. Our society has taught men to lie, or do anything to get into the lady's panties, making men not just submissives but submissive without any honor or pride. When vanilla guys want to know why am I a Dom and start to spew their fantasies about what it would be like to be one, I ask them are they dominant or submissive in their relationship. Most admit quickly that they mow the lawn, etc to get a little head or attention. I tell them why do you put up with that. They normally answer that they have to do what she wants to get a little attention. I tell them they are what most American males have become submissives. Next question is how happy are the 2 of you really. They hem and haw then admit that they love their lady but they aren't happy, most of the ladies confirm the same feelings. What a screwed up world we have created where instead of honor being the glue that binds it is deception and denial that rules.

Oz I don't know about dressing up but then again I guess I do agree. I have all ways been a clothes horse and concerned about my physical appearance. I have been chased a lot more in my life then I have chased.

Since I have all ways been a Dom I guess I assumed that was the way it was supposed to be. So I do agree with you Oz that in our way of Life the subs do chase the Doms, do all they can to stand out in his eyes, hoping to win his favor, to feel his strength and power.

Vanilla is just not what I can do, ill prepared for that life, I will be alone rather then lie to get laid.