Warning to authors: Before you submit

[Master Jack's pet]

rabbit1, posting a warning to authors that they are not retaining the rights to their stories is hardly making a circus out of anything. Your comment is demeaning and insulting to both the original poster as well as subsequent ones.

And as far as comments not changing anything, including yours or Tiger's minds, that too is absurd. If you do not feel that this site needs to be responsive to the concerns of the authors and/or readers, then you should not be running this site as it is designed for both. Or have you simply overlooked that point?

I understand adhering to the law, but this has little to do with legal ethics (except for copyright law as Ruby has already pointed out) and all to do with the morality of ignoring authors' requests, particularly without policy and simply on a whim.

[Master Jack's pet]

I noticed that Fox's stories are still here despite his request to have them removed.

So the warning to authors is justified as is Ruby's request that a policy be written and displayed.

This is a very sad state of affairs.

[csr]

I noticed that Fox's stories are still here despite his request to have them removed.

So the warning to authors is justified as is Ruby's request that a policy be written and displayed.

This is a very sad state of affairs.

Wow. You are quite right about that--sad. So sad it's almost funny. The decision by the new owner to not make a "decision" shows an incredible lack of vision.

It doesn't take a crystal ball to see what's going to happen to this site. Maybe Rabbit and Tiger plan to write all the new stories themselves, once the submissions drop off completely.

[Tiger]

I'm not claiming to own the rights to the story or stories you have posted.

This is not a free hosting site. This is a story site that publishs authors stories. If you submit a story here you are granting us the right to publish the story. You still own the copyright and all other rights but you are granting us a non-exclusive right to publish the story. That is how it is done on every major story site on the Internet. Which means we have no obligation to delete stories once they have been posted.

I will make sure that this is posted clearly in a public are for all to see so there is no further confusion. I'm working on a FAQ for the site that will include all of the information in a clear and detailed manner. It is one of the many things I'm trying to get done as quickly as possible.

I'm sorry for the delay in responding to message board threads but as many of you know I have been hard at work trying to get the site working 100% and trying to make improvements also.

[Ranai]

Hi Tiger, I have a follow-up question. Could you please clarify:

Authors who have submitted stories prior to this announcement did so knowing that in case they asked for the removal of a story, it would be removed. As has been stated above, this has not happened a lot of times, but sometimes it has.

Stated above is a new policy.

Authors who posted stories prior to this announcement did not agree to any such policy in the submission process.

How are you planning to proceed with removal requests concerning stories posted before today?

[Rabbit1]

Hi Tiger, I have a follow-up question. Could you please clarify:

Authors who have submitted stories prior to this announcement did so knowing that in case they asked for the removal of a story, it would be removed. As has been stated above, this has not happened a lot of times, but sometimes it has.

Stated above is a new policy.

Authors who posted stories prior to this announcement did not agree to any such policy in the submission process.

How are you planning to proceed with removal requests concerning stories posted before today?

How did authors know this ?---I have not seen it posted anywhere where a story would be removed upon request ---I am just curious how authors knew this.

[Ranai]

When via someone's review list or BDSM shelf you click on the title of a story that has been removed by the author's request, you see the notice 'The story does not exist'. You may have come across this notice a number of times following other reviewers' and readers' recommendations.

[Rabbit1]

When via someone's review list or BDSM shelf you click on the title of a story that has been removed by the author's request, you see the notice 'This story does not exist'. You may have come across this notice a number of times following other reviewers' and readers' recommendations.

I have seen the story does not exist a few times since I have been removing stories of under 13 year old subjects---but I have not run across removed by authors request notice---but still just because someone does this for a special reason or two does that then make it a blanket policy? and I am sure I am not the only one who has not seen the removed by authors request notice---I do notice that not all authors who have their stories published are active in the forum---could you perhaps post a url to one of those removed by authors request notices---please ---I am not trying to be a smart ass I am just trying to get information that I do not know.

I do know I went to bat for one author and got his stories removed but that did not make it a blanket policy. And I am not sure that the previous owner meant for it to be a blanket policy either.

[Ranai]

Sent you a PM with a link to a removed story. The standard notice appearing on the webpage is 'The story does not exist'.

Maybe authors who have posted stories here can supply further information.

It has not hurt the BDSM Library that authors have had the option to have a story removed upon request. Quite the contrary, it appears to have encouraged authors who may not have submitted their stories here otherwise.

[Ranai]

Yikes the double post elves got me!
Beware the Jabberwock!

[Master Jack's pet]

certainly if you read Fox's first post to this thread, he said that in the past when he requested a story removed it was done so promptly.

[Rabbit1]

That still does not mean it was a blanket policy---I remove the stories of one author by his request ---but that does not mean it was or is the policy of the board to do so for any and all authors. Now you have your answer from Tiger like you wanted---maybe not the answer you wanted ---so now authors know the policy of the site-

[Couture]

Rabbit, BDSM Library has always pulled stories at author request. When BDSM library was started, ANYONE was allowed to post a story....whether they wrote it or NOT. This means there's a whole mass of stories published here illegally. Even now, how do you know that the person submitting the story is the actual owner. Any signed papers?

The writer still owns copyright to these stories. You claim right to publish for eternity after the fact with no compensation to the writer. This is not going to hold up. You claim that other story sites use this policy. Not so. Literotica will pull any story as requested by the author. The only stories they hold rights to are book stories and contest stories. In both cases the writer is compensated monetarily for their stories.

My stories have been stolen from the web and posted here illegally. Unless you have proof of copyright, I ask that you remove any stories authored by Couture from this website. I will be sending a note to the owner to that effect.

[wendya]

Couture. I have only posted a few times in this forum. But i must tip my hat to you!!! Kudos for standing up for a wrong.. You can fight city hall!!!!!

[Rabbit1]

Rabbit, BDSM Library has always pulled stories at author request. When BDSM library was started, ANYONE was allowed to post a story....whether they wrote it or NOT. This means there's a whole mass of stories published here illegally. Even now, how do you know that the person submitting the story is the actual owner. Any signed papers?

The writer still owns copyright to these stories. You claim right to publish for eternity after the fact with no compensation to the writer. This is not going to hold up. You claim that other story sites use this policy. Not so. Literotica will pull any story as requested by the author. The only stories they hold rights to are book stories and contest stories. In both cases the writer is compensated monetarily for their stories.

My stories have been stolen from the web and posted here illegally. Unless you have proof of copyright, I ask that you remove any stories authored by Couture from this website. I will be sending a note to the owner to that effect.

if you read this post you know the procedure for requesting a story being remove --and it is not with me---I follow the owners policies---I volunteer my time here to publish stories and help run the forum--- so addressing me in this issue is not going to get you anywhere---I am not a messenger ---the owners contact information is posted

I suggest you read literotica's posted policy in their FAQ I posted it above.

[Rabbit1]

ok this is getting out of hand ---Authors and members know how to contact Tiger ---he has posted his policy----now before things get any more out of hand and the flaming starts I am closing this thread ---any more comment on this should be directed to Tiger via email