Pushing Hard Limits

[Rhabbi]

A hard limit should not be pushed at all unless you've talked with your sub about it and they've agreed to it. If any of mine were pushed when I clearly stated that I don't want them to happen, thats it. Relationship is over, have a nice life.

But in case you've talked to your sub about it and they have agreed to it, hasn't the hard limit become a soft limit already? One that maybe requires a lot of consideration and care in being pushed, but no longer hard nonetheless? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious

Part of pushing a hard limit is talking about it, thus making it a soft limit. Conversation and education are subtle ways to push a limit, but are nonetheless pushing it.