Why the 24 hour bdsm?

[duktig flicka]

Okay, Eraser. You win this time. I'll play your little bit-by-bit, quote-by-quote post layout game!

Thats a rather unfair statement. Would I say its cause life altering of any of those? Absolutely not. That specific example HAS caused many of those.

Well, if you're willing to make sacrifices that large for the sake of another's will, then I suppose that's up to you. But I wouldn't, and I wouldn't want anyone else to do so for me.

Are you saying then by acting in the sense as we have discussed is unhealthy?

Of course not. I'm saying I'm concerned. Though I didn't directly mean the thread to be about my concern. I meant it more so that I could understand it. I bring up my concern mostly just because I want to admit that it may colour my discussion of it and warn people that I can be biased. Also because part (though definitely not all) of the reason I seek to understand it is so I can see if I can alleviate that concern.

I"m not ignoring this fact at all, but are you saying that all women are submissive are doing so only because of social programming?

I'm saying that it is possible, and also that other psychological reasons which are not healthy could get people involved in bdsm. I know many people deny this possibility, and they are welcome to do so, and I'm not going to tell them have to do otherwise. I personally refuse to deny the possibility, no matter how much people tell me I should, until I see proof either way.

What I simple mean to say is, just because you or I can qualify foundational proof that BDSM is "damaging" or "harmful" or not does not make it wrong.

Why would it? Why do you feel the need to say this?

I took your understanding of your original posting to be more of a broad question of the "why", not a specific application of it to your own psyche.

It applies to me because it applies to a community I'm a part of. It applies to me because examining different levels of bdsm will help me understand it at my own level of participation. It applies to me because I had an emotional reaction to it (it frightened me). Also, I just want to understand.

oh yea, one other side note of a comment, I despise the mentality of certain BDSM clique's that the females "rightfull" or "natural" position is submissive.

Um...I'm not sure I'd get so far as to despise that, because it's just absurd. At that point I would firmly say that the person has a mental problem.

[Eraser]

I wish you the best in your relationship and I hope you discover what your looking for and are happy.

[duktig flicka]

Awww. I was enjoying arguing.

I really believe arguing is the best way to learn. When someone makes a point you can't argue with, then you know you've stumbled on something new.

But thank you for your good thoughts. *curtsey curtsey*

[Eraser]

There isn't a single point you have made in the prior post that I could not argue or debate with. But at the point the discussion is currently at I feel that my statements could be construed as either directly derogatory, insulting, or considered a personal attack. It could be the fact that I just woke up or some other reason. I would still invite you to read:

http://www.arizonapowerexchange.org/academia.htm

The Development of Sadomasochism as a Cultural Style in the Twentieth-Century United States, a dissertation by Robert V. Bienvenu II, Ph.D. This document traces the development of the SM culture, both heterosexual and gay, from 1930 to 1971. This definitive document uses information from the Kinsey Institute and from the Leather Archives, and is a must for anyone who is interested in the history of our past.

APEX Survey is a profile of the members of the Arizona Power Exchange in 2000. It was intended as a scientific study with a byproduct to be used to guide the organization.

The DSM – Classifying Sex as an Illness is a look at the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual used by Psychiatrist and the legal establishment to codify and classify mental illness.

Partner Selection, Power Dynamics, and Sexual Bargaining of BDSM Couples, a dissertation by Bert Cutler, Ph.D. This document is a study of long term BDSM couples, and reveals trends and common elements used in these successful relationships.

SM and Feminist Thought is a look at the two opposing feminist views.


http://www.enslavement.org.uk/essays.html

the last link I feel maybe a bit much for you on many points as the arguments based ideology that you feel is "harmful"