Quote Originally Posted by duktig flicka
If she doesn't like it, why would you do it? How would a person consent to bdsm if they don't enjoy it?
Because it's punishment. Punishment is not supposed to be enjoyable. Otherwise, what's the point of it? You don't give your dog a treat for pooping on the floor, do you? Why would you give your submissive a treat for acting outside of the pre-determined boudaries?

Quote Originally Posted by duktig flicka
I can't understand for a moment why someone would consent to a sexual practice they don't actually enjoy. The article even goes on to say that a dom absolutely must not include sex or anything sexual during punishment. Huh? I thought sexuality was the whole point! What place does bdsm have outside of sex? I also read another thread earlier, which spoke of the same thing - how to punish a sub with things they truly don't like.
Because there's WAY, WAY more to the BDSM lifestyle than just sex. in fact, in the literal definition of the word, submission has nothing to do with sexuality. Submission simply indicates a willingness or need to serve.

If a person likes kinky sex, then they like kinky sex. If a person is a submissive, then they enjoy submitting.


Quote Originally Posted by duktig flicka
Is bdsm really "real" for some people, rather than play and role-playing for the sake of a sexual fetish? Is one person truly considered lesser than the other? If that's the case, how can one separate bdsm from abuse?
Well, yeah! have you not noticed the number of posts here about people in BDSM relationships? Do you think they only "play BDSM" when they're in the bedroom? No! this is real life for some people here, and some people take it quite seriously. Why else do you think I, for example, would spend so much time writing all those informative and educational articles about different aspects of BDSM if it was just a bedroom game people played?

And no, one person is not necessarily considered lesser to another. If they were, then someone's missing the whole point. BDSM is a nurturing relationship, designed to build a person up, not tear them down as occurs through abuse.

For more information about the differences between BDSM and abuse, read here.


Quote Originally Posted by duktig flicka
Could somebody please help me to try and understand this?
Some of us, myself in particular, have been trying to help people to understand this for quite a long time now. Have a look through some of the older posts here and read some of my articles.

(If I talk about myself any more in this post, I'm gonna puke.)


Quote Originally Posted by duktig flicka
EDIT: Note that I do understand being pushed a little into things I don't really enjoy because that in itself is a turn-on. Sometimes my boyfriend makes me do things I don't like during play, since it turns us both on that he's making me do something I don't want to do. But I'm referring to these punishments I see people writing about which are meant to be truly unpleasant or downright cruel for the submissive, so as to actually condition them not to do something again.
I would disagree with any punishment that the submissive deemed to be "cruel." However, the submissive partner themself sets their own limits. If they consent to being punished for disobedience, for example, then they know full well that something unpleasant is going to happen to them if they are disobedient. It's incentive for them to act well.

And don't focus too much on the negative reinforcement aspects. There are plenty of rewards for good submissives, too.