seems that you think a slave has no limits what so ever which i think is wrong, everyone has limits
I assume the post was directed towards me so I will answer it because I believe you have missed something. Or, maybe, I have. A slave DEFINATELY has limits. But, she defines most of them BEFORE she enters into the relationship. And, a good Master will always respect those limits. Not only that, even though a slave does not have a choice in what is done, she does have a say. In fact, I believe that communication is the KEY to ALL relationships. For instance, I have a journal that I write in every single day that my Master reads. When I am with him, he also reads my behavior. He knows me pretty much like the back of his hand. If he didn't, he wouldn't be my Master. (That is part of what a Master does, in my eyes.) He reads my journal, he reads me, he talks to me when he desires to (which is often) and THEN he makes his decision as to what he feels is best for me (sexually or otherwise.... and I realize that some don't have the "otherwise"). A Master knows (or should know) your limits going into the relationship. He should be aware enough to see progress and problems and to make the decision which direction to go (putting your growth and well being as part of the big picture). Ultimately he makes the decision but slaves, though they may not have many choices, DO have limits. I never said they didn't.

And, BDSM tourguide, I know, it's just me but it "seems" like you two are simply not making the commitment but all else is there. Much like (and NO not exactly like, before anyone jumps on me again) when a couple lives together yet never takes the marriage vows. A couple is still not married officially, even though they live together after 15 years. Just as a Dominant is not a Master or a sub is not a slave after living like they are for years. HOWEVER, all that I see that is different is in the formalities and what is in the heart. The vows and commitment to those vows seems to be all that is missing in both cases.

Though, I also feel many are living or claiming to live as Master and slave that are simply living as Dom and sub, taking their vows and going through the formalities, yes, but they are nothing more than Dominant and sub as they do not honor those vows or commitment or take on the responsibility of a Master/slave. It's much like I ask people often, does a ring make you married or a collar make you a slave? No, I don't believe so.

So, in a sense, a strange sense, I do believe we ARE agreeing on this point. What it boils down to is what is in one's heart and soul and how that heart and soul is reflected, that is the only thing that matters, really.