Hi albear

It's great to know there is someone else around my neck of the woods who isn't hiding. Club Libertine actually say they ONLY accomodate couples and if you contact them they say that is non-negotiable. They seem to be pretty insular and not overly friendly to those who don't fit their criteria.

And the Hellfire Club seems to have disappeared as well

I have had a lot of fun and learned a lot about myself and the BDSM lifestyle with girls who were into being submissive but not actually submissive but with any relationship that can only go so far if one person wants something so very different from the other.

I'll never give up the search because I know they are out there from the wonderful success stories I have heard of on this group and elsewhere. It leads rather neatly onto another topic I wanted to raise about the ratios of Doms to subs but I'll start that up elsewhere.

Jason