Quote Originally Posted by Phantome
Is that the point? Does the master want to see how much pain, damage, or humiliation he or she can get away with? Whether or not the sub's hard limits are really that hard? I guess I don't understand why one would want to push the play to that level
To help clarify or give understanding in your question. When a Dom plays with a submissive, it should be for a teaching tool, for the submissive. To teach that it is ok for the submissive to use a safe word. I encountered a submissive one time that would not use a safe word for any reason. I participated in a scene where she was to be hung by the neck, and was asked if she was ok with what was going to happen. She nodded, and placed herself under the noose. I was in position as Dungeon Master at the time, and stopped the scene before she had the rope around her neck. It was to teach her she needs to know the dangers of activities she is to be a part of. That she needs to use safe words if someone is about to do something that is by far not safe. On a seperate occasion I was a part of a flogging to get the submissive to find her upper pain limits, as she indicated she hadn't yet found them. The scene was simply flogging, used a elk skin flogger, thin tails to inflict greater harm. She used her safe word after quite a lot of impact. She was forewarned that it would be a safe word scene.

If the safe word is forced and the Dom or sub were not planning on using it. After all the aftercare is taken care of, it should be assesed as to why the safe word was called, and if either did anything wrong.

Enjoy, and have fun

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