Receiving Body Fluids

[ThisYouWillDo]

I have seen this thread on another BDSM site. I don't know what the protocol is about mentioning other sites, but I think this might be important enough to waive the rules.

A girl wants to know whether she should drink her Master's pee: she really wants to as a gesture of total submission (she's giving up her limit). But he's on medication. The medication is, apparently harmful to females - presumably it affects the female reproductive parts - or possibly affects an unborn child. Maybe the effects are cumulative, and don't show now, but could have an effect later. Maybe it gets into the master's sperm too.

Anyway, are all females here who receive their parntner's body fluids (orally especially) aware of the medicines their partners take and the possible effects? Would you know what to do and how to find out?

I have no answers - just throwing out the question. But obviously pharmaceutical advice would be best.

TYWD

[pixie_dust]

Excellent question. I'm interested to hear what some of the replies will be.

[Rhabbi]

Urine from a healthy person is sterile.

[Dragon's muse]

Yes it is, Rhabbi, but metabolites in urine from some medications are not necessarily harmless.

But yes, i do know what medications Dragon takes. Who do you think puts out his pills in the morning.

[gladgirl]

I found this on wikipedia. Wow what a good topic to bring up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urophagia

[bthest]

I'm some random dude, not a doctor or scientist, but I think the medication shouldn't be present in any harmful amount in the urine as the medication itself is absorbed by the body. However some of the left overs might be troublesome but I doubt it.

Getting into the sperm and semen? I know that doesn't sound very likely.

[Clevernick]

Medications, if they're water-soluble, may well have excess excreted in the urine. Some medications are broken down by the body and the by-products instead will be spilled into the urine. Others may actually come out unchanged over time.

I don't know a lot of examples, but Vitamin-B12, for example, comes out unchanged in the urine in excess of the body's needs.

Good question.

[Rhabbi]

Medications, if they're water-soluble, may well have excess excreted in the urine. Some medications are broken down by the body and the by-products instead will be spilled into the urine. Others may actually come out unchanged over time.

I don't know a lot of examples, but Vitamin-B12, for example, comes out unchanged in the urine in excess of the body's needs.

Good question.

I used to take a medication that turned my urine a bright orange. Very strange, just check, it is not that hard to find out. And it you are afraid to ask a Dr., check the PDR.

[ifonly61]

i dont allow just anyone to pee in my mouth so im pretty sure that the one who does, i would know quite well and well enough to know if he is on any medications, i have refused to take a doms pee when he has been taking medications for one thing or another.

[Ozme52]

Urine from a healthy person is sterile.

Sterile... yes. But that means biological organisms are not present. Urine is, specifically, full of chemicals the body needs to expel, whether because of excess amounts or because they are not "natural" to the body.

If you're a woman still capable of bearing children, stay away from the urine of a medicated person. Some medicines are dangerous if you merely touch them... I certainly wouldn't risk ingesting them or their by-products.

BTW, saying healthy urine is sterile is a comment about bacteria and protozoans... and not necessarily true for viral material nor with regard to prions, (which are smaller than many proteins which can be found in urine.)

[TomOfSweden]

I know that metobolised cocaine can't get you high. Drinking the pee from a coke/crackhead is harmless, (unless you like being high in which case it's a problem).

Here's a suggestion. Why not let him pee on her? Or even in her mouth but she spits it out. Compromise in other words.

[ifonly61]

I know that metobolised cocaine can't get you high. Drinking the pee from a coke/crackhead is harmless, (unless you like being high in which case it's a problem).

Here's a suggestion. Why not let him pee on her? Or even in her mouth but she spits it out. Compromise in other words.

compromise is good

[ThisYouWillDo]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. If you know cocaine won't affect someone who drinks the urine of an addict (did you say what your sources are?), it doesn't follow that all medications passing through the body are harmless.

I'd like to make the following observations on what's been said above:

First, healthy urine is sterile. But people on medication aren't healthy. Also, even if urine is sterile, it still contains body waste. Finally, the moment it leaves the body, it ceases to be sterile (but that's nitpicking ... it's as good as sterile for quite a while).

Next, even if medication passes through an otherwise healthy body and emerges in a "sterile" state, it still has, in most cases, the same chemical make up it had when it went in. That chemical make-up may be harmful to others, and for some medicines, especially the stronger ones, or those taken in large quantities, there may be sufficient residue discharged in urine to affect anyone ingesting it. (Large quantities in medicines are tiny amounts, by the way.)

Next, all medicines are designed to alter the patient's body condition: to make up for what isn't present, or to get rid of something that is. A healthy body doesn't need to be altered in that way. It does this usually by entering the blood stream. The blood stream gets everywhere, including the testes, for example, and it is there that it could affect the production of sperm.

Now, I know I have no more knowledge about this than any other tom, dom or harry, and that is why I have suggested pharmceutical advice. Or, as someone wisely said up above, to talk to a doctor (they've heard everything before and won't be fazed by the question: and they'll give a serious and informed answer). And I don't want to be a scaremonger either. If the medication is something that the receiver would normally take too, then why worry - e.g., asprin or paracetamol. But where the medicines are given in strong doses, or ar prescription-only drugs, or are for male-specific conditions, caution must be exercised.

Oh - and subs drinking the pee of Dommes should be considering this too. Otherwise m-subs might start developing breasts!

Compromise, in my view, is only good in some cases. The drug that the girl I referred to was concerned about turned out to be one that was very strong, male specific, and would affect females of child-bearing age (and harmful to male foetuses). It could also be absorbed through the skin on contact. I don't think compromise of the kind alluded to would have been sufficient. It must depend on the circumstances everytime.

TYWD

[Rhabbi]

On a chemical basis, urine does contain many chemicals that are expelled by the body. Drinking small amounts is harmless, as long as you also drink plenty of water. Becoming a human urinal where you ingest a large quiantity of urine, even from heal;thy people, is going to have an effect on you. In a different thread, muse spoke aboput how she started by driking just a few drops of urine, and gradually built up to taking all of a her Masters discharge.

Living in a desert area, I know that one of the signs of a healthy person is the color of urine. The clearer it is, the better hydrated a person is. Before you drink someone's urine make sure he is drinking pleny of fluids, and that his urine looks as much like regular water when it comes out as possible.

Note, I am talking about when it comes out, as soon as urine hits water the chemicals inm it react with the chemicals in water to cause a discoloration. Look at the color of the stream. And remeber, make sure he is healthy. A thourough and regular checkup is a good idea. And drink plenty of water yourself also, this will help to offset the the metabolized electrolytes you are injesting.

[TomOfSweden]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. If you know cocaine won't affect someone who drinks the urine of an addict (did you say what your sources are?), it doesn't follow that all medications passing through the body are harmless.

I'm not suggesting that in the least. It's just that my mind is full of these little nuggets of worthless knowledge. If I don't share god has threatened to kill kittens. Please think of the kittens.

No I didn't, but my sources are BBC science and nature. I can't find the article again. Their search engine sucks. There was an article they ran on measuring cocaine use in cities. An Italian scientist came up with a nifty method of measuring metabolised cocaine, (Benzoylecgonine) in sewage. So they could easily measure cocaine use even quite localy. It was two years ago I think. They checked the pipes that lead out of the EU parliment in Brussels and found a absolutely fantastic amount of metabolised cocaine. The first experiment was done in the Po river in Italy and it was quite a high reading but northern Italian cities seem to do most in Europe. Hardly surprising. I remember reading a later article about the same guy doing the same experiment in USA, but in the states it's not as sinful to do drugs so nobody gave a shit.

[ThisYouWillDo]

Ah ... I didn't realise this would eventually become a kitten thing. I like little pussies, so I'm on your side, Tom.

I agree about the BBC search engine; but isn't the website itself fantastic? You won't find that stuff on NPR's pages.

I'm tickled pink about the debate I've started, but I think readers must not get things out of perspective.

Pee drinking is cool and a real submissive gesture. Most medicines, when they leave a person's body aren't going to harm you at all. Even strong medicines probably won't if you only drink the pee once or twice, or in small amounts - I'm not in a position to say this authoritatively, but it's what I believe. What gives me the willies tho, and it should concern everyone who does this, is that some medicines have profound effects - and no-one here seems to know which (isn't there a single Quack into bdsm who can comment???). I have described the possible effects of one very strong drug, and if I were the girl in question, her master's pee would be the drink I'd have only after I'd finished the last drop of prussic acid there was in the world!

[B][I]All I want is for people to be careful. This site believes in "informed consent" I take it. Just make sure you are informed. [B][I]And I think it's the duty of the Dom/giver to find out, not the poor sub/receiver. It's probably be easier for him too.

So, after all that, cheers, sante, prost, slainte mhath, or (probably the best toast) Bottoms Up!

TYWD

[ponderpoison]

This seems to be a good place to pose this question. Can the same be held true of female ejaculation? It's not urine, but is IT sterile or close to sterile when it leaves a healthy body? When I squirt for my Master it can be a considerable amount of fluid. Should I be concerned?

[ThisYouWillDo]

First ... I don't know ... only a qualified medic can really give us the answers we are looking for ... and he will no doubt say, "It all depends ...."

But, are you taking medicines? If not, then what could there possibly be in your juices that would be harmful?

IF you are, then I do think you should be concerned to find out if there are any effects that could be transmitted that way - hopefully not - and to do whatever is apporpriate after finding out.

We need a doctor or pharmacist to contribute to this thread ... don't we have any members with medical training????

TYWD

[DarkSister]

don't we have any members with medical training????

TYWD

theres a couple that im aware of

I understand your concerns regarding this… it is conceivable that some drugs can have an effect, but it is difficult to determine exactly without knowing the nature of the condition or the drugs used. But there are a few drugs that are excreted from the body that are either partial or entirely unchanged… things like amphetamines and their derivatives, so it can be possible to get an effect from ingesting the urine of someone taking these drugs…(though it is more likely to be something derived from an accumulative effect) if memory serves I think crystal meth is passed through as it isn’t metabolised by the liver, any drug that the liver cannot deal with will tend to be excreted in its original form…

There should be little to worry from regarding bacterial agents, unless you are of course on medication for a UTI, a greater cause for concern is viral agents, things like Hep A, as there could be a chance of transmission through any cuts in the mouth or on the skin or in the eyes… providing there is no infection, MSU (mid-stream urine) is perfectly sterile

On a side note it might be best to avoid drinking large quantities of coffee and alcohol before hand… large amounts of water are best which dilute the urine giving it a clearer appearance and making it more pleasant