Why are so many BDSM girls fat and ugly??

Manwhore · 11-01-2003

Have you ever noticed that many girls into BDSM are fat and quite unattractive???

I beleive many of these women succumb to BDSM as a result of not being able to get any "normal" sex from guys and thus are forced to do BDSM to get attention

**Mobius** · 11-01-2003

Nuff Said

**Dari** · 11-01-2003

@manwhore
are you talking from personal experience? apart from the already mentioned jerk argument that's the only reason that could possibly cross my mind to let you come to such ... stupid conclusions. I can't even think of any comparison that could hold sway to that. I just call this a fake as I need something to reassure myself that there are not many people running about who are this stupid.

**Lord Douche** · 11-01-2003

I can smell smoke!

Apart from being unable to see this thread's relevance to Sexual Fantasy, I believe you should go and look at the thread Fantasy vs Stark Reality before you start too much of a flame war.

**GaryWilcox** · 11-01-2003

I'll bite...

:: assbite ::

But seriously, I think you're asking why are so many pictures of BDSM feature girls that are not as attractive as the ones in, say, the artwork of Gary Roberts?

I don't think you need the speech about people coming in all shapes and sizes, and being beautiful or ugly in all shapes and sizes, but here ya go: "Well the world don't move, to the beat of just one drum..." <g>

A few of the ladies on the forum pose for those pictures, so you might have hurt some feelings. I recommend an apology, if you were just in a glib mood and don't want to offend.

If you do mean to hurt feelings, well... you're nuts. Everybody's as beautiful as their avatar here, unless you find a way to irritate them...

:: assbite two ::

**BDSM_Tourguide** · 11-01-2003

I told you to keep your ass of this site and for this exact reason. If you're just going to be insulting and if you're not going to offer anything positive to this site, stay the hell of it.

The webmaster here, will be contacting your ISP Monday to report your continued abuse of our forums. Good bye.

**Neopadinski** · 11-01-2003

I will say, without underlying meaning (i.e. what I say is what I mean) that there are quite a few girls on the internet, real and not animated, that are unattractive. Note that I say "quite a few"-not implying a domination of unattractive to attractive females-which simply means that they are, unarguably, not attractive. That much is for certain. However, there are in quite a few places that one can find good-looking females.

As for why the unattractive females are on the internet-sure, it might be because they can't get attention from the people around them, and therefore turn to a website. I doubt that all people agree with that concept-it could be because they are interested in BDSM, want to share it with the world, but are unattractive. The motives of these people are, quite simply, none of my business.

Then, there is the concept that one doesn't find very, very beautiful women because they are quite popular and don't have time to be on a website; they are camera shy; they already have a male-friend that is willing to satisfy her BDSM "cravings", if you will. These too, are none of my business.

I frequent Artemis Artone's site quite often, and I think she is great-looking. She is probably very popular-she seems nice enough, from the little tiny bit I've seen of her on the forums; she obviously has a male-friend; and she obviously isn't camera shy. This is an example of a BDSM girl that is attractive online.

Ok, I think I worded the above correctly...I didn't want to be offensive, I simply wanted to add my input. Keep in mind that it's just my opinion

Youngsubboston · 11-02-2003

For starters as people have said "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". If you are as closed minded as you seem whipit then I feel bad for you becuase you are missing out on a lot of beautiful woman on the inside and outside. I myself, no matter how "hot" a girl is, can find her ugly if she a bitch, and no matter how "ugly" a girl is, if she is an aswome girl, I can look in her eyes and see the most beautiful person the whole world. Your for example, no matter what you looked like, I would find you ugly becuase your personality is so ugly and judgemental. You need to learn to care about people for who they are and see beauty in all people becuase there is. Each culture has its own defintion of beauty, and each person have there own defintion of beauty. And if your defintion is so confined by supposedly cultural limits, thats just pathetic, especailly for someone who is into bdsm, I would expect you to be more opened minded. I hope you try and take this post to heart becuase I think it will make people around you happier. Not to mention it will probally make you much more happy. I don't know what else to say to you.

**Lord Douche** · 11-02-2003

Originally posted by BDSM_Tourguide
I told you to keep your ass of this site and for this exact reason. If you're just going to be insulting and if you're not going to offer anything positive to this site, stay the hell of it.

The webmaster here, will be contacting your ISP Monday to report your continued abuse of our forums. Good bye.

I'm guessing here that Manwhore aka Whipit has a Static IP? I can only imagine the face of the technician who reads that particular e-mail. *chuckles*

**Dari** · 11-02-2003

I wanted to apologize for my impolite reply up on the page and once more try to phrase out what I think about this topic.

As far as I have noticed there are two kinds of woman who are depicted on the net - porn stars and real women, same as with the men. Just think about how many people really look like models - far too few to ever provide that many pictures. I find it quite enticing that there are so many real women who find the courage to display there bodies for the whole world to see although they know that their bodies are not perfect. I wouldn't be so brave, although I don't consider myself belonging to that "fat and quite unattractive" group of women, and I find it kind of exhilarating that someone proposes that women who are not thin as a reed or looking like a beautyqueen have to resort to such measures as to participate in sexual activities they might even loathe just to get a guy's attention. On the contrary, I guess that women who are in for BDSM might have it in them to openly stand to their needs and have no problems with all the world seeing them, apart from some nice looking girls who are far too modest and uneasy with their own sexuality to even consider posing in front of a camera.

**agp_millie** · 06-17-2004

Dear Manwhore,
Apart from the usual cliche that 'beauty is in eyes of be-hold'er' and 'Looks are only skin deep', both true to a degree, usually when you are refering to someone who is plain and facial/body features don't comeup to YOUR idea of sexual, sensual, 'perfection'.
Guys are frequently 'ugly' whether Doms. or subs. but it's the overall sexual oooze that really counts. An ugly Man can be (is usually) FAR more sexy than the Brad Pitt look-a-likes. Personally, apart from his eyes, he doesn't appeal to me, but my big, ol' teddybear Hubby turns me on, even when making his Lunch box. In fact, yes, that too.

The following pics. are all beautiful, one is my real mom, in the silly event that guys voted, i'm sure the most beautiful of the 3 pics.

**GaryWilcox** · 11-02-2003

Bad Dari! No taco! <g>

Okay: there *are* cultural norms of beauty. And a vast number of the women posing for these pictures do not have slim abs and hips, large breasts, and Breck girl hair.

I still think that the quality of a photographer's work has much to do with whether or not the subject is 'beautiful'. The choice of shooting a woman raised five feet off the ground in a suspension harness from eye level means you get a lot of fat dangling and the camers sees it. Binding the body means that ropes pull around the frame of the body, and everything suffers. The subject's posture is enormously important, and without an experienced model or photographer, what you get is unflattering.

If you got head shots of the women in the photos oon the Favorite Phots thread over in General Talk, about 80% wouild pass muster for even the harshest critics. Allow them to be photographed by an experienced photographer with Playboy credits on his resume, and you lose what... another 20%?

Amatuer photographers, bad lighting, and poor choice of camera position are a large part of what decides if the subject's beauty can be found.

Cheer up, Manwhore-- plenty of nude Lara Croft pictures in the sea.

:: assbite Nombre tres ::

**Mobius** · 11-02-2003

Originally posted by RubbrSpatula
Bad Dari! No taco! <g>
:: assbite Nombre tres ::

This is totaly off topic but I dont like the topic.
So RubbrSpatula you changed your avatar from the Taco bell dog to the big brother eyes. Then why are you still talking like the taco bell dog?

Just wondering amlisly

**GaryWilcox** · 11-02-2003

I'm starting to publish work, so I need to move away from chihuahua so that I'm identifiable by my work, I guess.

But I still feel the need to be the dog, now and then.

**Neopadinski** · 11-02-2003

Oh yeah, that's right...I knew your avatar wasn't always the eyes, but I couldn't for the life of me think of what your previous avatar was.

Sorry Mobius, but I have one thing left to say about the topic.

Youngsubboston said something before about beauty being in the eye of the beholder. I agree with that-in terms of people I know in real life. With women on the internet, you don't really get to know their personalities, and most of the time all you know about them is what they look like-therefore, I'm a bit shallow, because I really only like the women that are attractive. But like I said, I won't NOT like someone just because they aren't good-looking; hell, when I first met my girlfriend I didn't find her attractive at all, but as I got to know her personality, I began to appreciate her physical appearance as well.
But back to the subject of online women, when I'm looking for someone tied up, I look for the best looking ones. This is because I'm not really into the dom/sub kind of thing, my interests lie in kidnapping scenarios where the woman is taken to be a sex toy and nothing more (in fantasy, mind you).

Hm. There I go again...yeah, I should comment that I'm real opinion-oriented, and if given the chance, I could go on and on about a topic. But I also agree that my opinion may not be right, and therefore I try not to make it sound like it is. So yeah. Just wanted to clarify because the last thing I want to do is insult someone.

**Mobius** · 11-02-2003

Originally posted by Neopadinski
Youngsubboston said something before about beauty being in the eye of the beholder. I agree with that-in terms of people I know in real life. With women on the internet, you don't really get to know their personalities, and most of the time all you know about them is what they look like-therefore, I'm a bit shallow, because I really only like the women that are attractive. But like I said, I won't NOT like someone just because they aren't good-looking; hell, when I first met my girlfriend I didn't find her attractive at all, but as I got to know her personality, I began to appreciate her physical appearance as well.
But back to the subject of online women, when I'm looking for someone tied up, I look for the best looking ones. This is because I'm not really into the dom/sub kind of thing, my interests lie in kidnapping scenarios where the woman is taken to be a sex toy and nothing more (in fantasy, mind you).

Hm. There I go again...yeah, I should comment that I'm real opinion-oriented, and if given the chance, I could go on and on about a topic. But I also agree that my opinion may not be right, and therefore I try not to make it sound like it is. So yeah. Just wanted to clarify because the last thing I want to do is insult someone.

How do you know the online Women are women at all.

They could be 43 year old plumbers Named Tina or kittenfem with 5 o'clock shadows there but crack hanging out talking sweat nothings to you in the dark. Or worse some over eager police man trying to sting you with a sex crime. Mister Kidnaper guy.

Being online is nice one can find acceptance here with out the risk of a personnel rejection.

But here I go getting off topic oh what was the topic again

Why are women in bdsm photos fat and ugly?
What a stupid ignorant thing to say.
Look no one is perfect and the ones that are perfect are to bussy trying to stay perfect to be into bdsm. SO cut them some slack pick up a whip and play nice.
you think she actuly plays at BDSM in her off time dont think so it is only a way to get the big bucks

bella · 05-19-2004

I would just like to say that manwhore, your comment is incredibly immature and small-minded.

Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes, and while granted, I am not a size 4, I don't feel that I am ugly either.

A picture, so that you may decide for yourself.

and by the way, if you are judging people by the way they look and not their worth as a person, then you are probably one of the ugliest people on the planet.

'nuff said.

**Neopadinski** · 05-19-2004

Just so you know, Manwhore has been banned. Repeatedly. And I don't think he's going to be allowed on the internet ever again by anyone.

bella · 05-19-2004

i certainly hope not! What an asshole!!!

D. Atrocity · 05-24-2004

And I'm not going to fan this flame anymore than I feel I should. I just have a few points to make for you to consider.

And bigger women aren't always ugly. I know plenty of women with HOT love lives and husbands that worship the ground they walk on that aren't exactly super model material. It's really more in the features of the face to me that counts, for example, and the look deep in the person's eyes. The eyes are the gateway to the soul and some people can see that.

for my last point, if I've learned anything in this life, it's that you can't stereotype anyone in any group. Just because some bdsm girls are fat and/or ugly (and some will be, there isn't a weight limit for the site, thank heaven,) doesn't mean they all are.

badspyro · 06-14-2004

Some are, I admit, dut there's always going to be some that arn't quite to your likeing, so why don't you look at the ones you do like? For all you know, many people may like bigger girls to the twigs that we normaly get... maybe a bit of meat once in a while is not a bad thing, plus it may make you apreciate the ones that you like more (although I doubt it

).
Badspyro

**Kalluss** · 06-14-2004

I was looking at some vintage porn (Hey, it was for a project) the other night and thought of this thread while I was observing some of the women who were considered beautiful in the 60's and 70's.

The women who were posing then were curvy, beautiful women. They were long before the heroine chic that glamourized the 'tit's on a stick' look that is what the fashion industry is telling people what is glamorous today.

As an experiment, I'd be interested to purchase a garment made today in a size 11, and then purchase one from a vintage store from that era in the same size and compare.

I work with a lot of women who considered pretty back then. They're in their 50's-60's now and are still attractive. I wonder how the women of today who are starving themselves to fit into that size whatever are going to look in the long run.

Just kind of rambling here. It's funny how your mind works after being up for 36 hours.

**zig** · 06-14-2004

Originally Posted by Kalluss

As an experiment, I'd be interested to purchase a garment made today in a size 11, and then purchase one from a vintage store from that era in the same size and compare.

I work with a lot of women who considered pretty back then. They're in their 50's-60's now and are still attractive. I wonder how the women of today who are starving themselves to fit into that size whatever are going to look in the long run.

I normally wear a size 6 american in Women's clothes, size 5 or 7 in juniors. I have a pair of vintage cords from the 1970's, labeled size 9, and they are slightly too small for me at the moment. Sizes have definitely changed seriously. I would imagine the difference gets larger the farther back you go, until you hit the era before store-bought clothes were common.

**tehya** · 06-14-2004

I have humbly decided to respond to this thread, not the originator of it.

This is an issue that has been so much a part of my entire life... my weight! God how I can remember my mother putting me on diets as a very young girl. So from as far back as that, someone has always tried to mold me to their idea of what my body should look like.

This continued through to my adult life and has plagued me, even somewhat to this day. I have always tried to maintain a body weight that just seems unnatural for me. And let me just say that big people do not necessarily eat gross amounts of food. I don't, but I am a big woman.

I must say though, that since being introduced to BDSM and my Master, i have begun a transformation. Actually beginning to understand more about myself and my appearance. I'm big, but I am not ugly. My partner finds me attractive and well proportioned, and has never once asked me to lose weight. He would support me if I felt I needed to make a change to better myself, but that is it!

Some day I hope to get to the point that I can look in the mirror and be totally pleased and content in who I am. I'm working on it... But I have to tell you, it helps so much to see everyday people showing off everyday bodys... how sexy, erotic and honest is that!!!! I admire each and every one of you for it!

Master's tehya

**leo9** · 06-17-2004

Originally Posted by Kalluss

I was looking at some vintage porn (Hey, it was for a project) the other night and thought of this thread while I was observing some of the women who were considered beautiful in the 60's and 70's.

The women who were posing then were curvy, beautiful women. They were long before the heroine chic that glamourized the 'tit's on a stick' look that is what the fashion industry is telling people what is glamorous today.

It's been pointed out that judging by her measurements, which were very much on record, Marylin Monroe would never get so much as a bit part in today's media unless they wanted someone to play "the fat girl".

She never had to worry about the size of her butt. When she and Jane Russell were asked to put their footprints in the pavement outside Grauman's, she suggested that it would be more appropriate (since they already had prints of Jimmy Durante's nose and one of Betty Grable's legs) if Jane pushed her boobs into the cement and she sat in it.

**Kallie Thomas** · 06-17-2004

Originally Posted by leo9

It's been pointed out that judging by her measurements, which were very much on record, Marylin Monroe would never get so much as a bit part in today's media unless they wanted someone to play "the fat girl".

Oh, yeah--I remember a few years back, Elizabeth Hurley was at some exhibit where Marylin Monroe's size 12 dress was on display. Hurley exclaimed, "Oh my God, if I were that fat, I'd kill myself!"

Says it all.

Kallie

**tehya** · 06-20-2004

This is Master's proof that no submissive is either to big or ugly - but just right to the eyes that look upon her.

Master's tehya

**slavelucy** · 06-20-2004

Originally Posted by tehya

This is Master's proof that no submissive is either to big or ugly - but just right to the eyes that look upon her.

That's a beautiful pic tehya...and i luuurve those chains!

Thanks for sharing it.

sl

**tehya** · 06-20-2004

Originally Posted by slavelucy

That's a beautiful pic tehya...and i luuurve those chains!

Thanks for sharing it.

sl

Thank you luce! This picture and the one of the nipple device in the Nipple Training thread are the very first ones I have ever shared. Was a little nervous about it, but wanted to join the ranks of the brave and the beautiful... LOL - But honestly, my Master makes me feel as though I am the most beautiful of all women... and isn't THAT what it is all about... Being all we can for ourselves and our Masters. *smiles*

Hugs to you luce...

Master's tehya

Shaditu · 06-23-2004

Originally Posted by tehya

This is Master's proof that no submissive is either to big or ugly - but just right to the eyes that look upon her.

Master's tehya

yes, she is sexy!

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