Full toilet

[mistressjudy]

I need direction regarding Full toilet.
I give GS & BS to some of my slaves however I would like to get some feed back of what is the best way to get someone to consume all of my shit. are you kept aroused/ hard till the end ?
Since youve done this for some time perhaps you can give me some advise ?
Judy

[scdon]

I am an experienced toilet slave and there are two ways i am used.

For punishment and for routine toilet duty. For punishment, I must masterbate before i am used so that there will be no sexual pleasure for me... only the taste of shit. This is very difficult to consume when i am not excited so i am usually severely beaten for motivation - it works.

For routine toilet duty, my Mistress basically takes me for granted and simply shits in my mouth. However, She is sweet enough to tell me how proud she of me being able to eat her shit and if i should start to gag, She is very encouraging and tells me to concentrate on pleasing her and not to be selfish. For routine use, i am always hard and She will frequently use Her feet to play with my cock.

i am pleased to be Her toilet - i wish i could do more for her.

[MrJerseyGuy]

I really like sex...

I love perverted sex...

and usually the more perverted it is, the more I love it!!! I can even enjoy a little golden shower fun.

But this...

YUCK!

Not to disparage the thread's author. If both adults are into it then more power to them..DEFINATELY not my thing though!

[DomDoc]

I use my slave as full toilet. this turn her on. she eat the shit rom my ass and from the floor or from a bowl like the bitch she is

[GaryWilcox]

Greetings!

Someone said something that violated the BDSM Library Code of Conduct. I removed the offending post and sent word via PM.

Carry on!

[fetish101]

This just can't be healthy....

don't you people worry about that?

[Kallie Thomas]

I do have to admit that's my concern as well. e Coli leaps to mind--considering all it takes is one butt-wiping, non-handwashing prep cook at a restaurant to sicken a hundred people, actually consuming feces has got to be risky.

Kallie

[sm4hg]

Hi Kalli and fetish,
not all of the waste a human body produces is necessarily unhealthy. Provided the person is healthy, there's no risk in drinking piss. In fact it's almost spetical(? is this the right expression for a fluid without any bacterias and things?).
I'm not so sure about shit. There are some more things involved there and it's not so clean. So there is a risk eating that.
But surely, as long as the "delivering" person is healthy, it`s not a big risk.

[Finding_Fantasy]

Originally posted by Kallie Thomas
I do have to admit that's my concern as well. e Coli leaps to mind--considering all it takes is one butt-wiping, non-handwashing prep cook at a restaurant to sicken a hundred people, actually consuming feces has got to be risky.

Kallie

You are so right, Kallie. For one of many reasons, I would never try that myself. I got e coli from eating at a mexican restuarant and it is horrible. I have never been so sick in my life.

As for golden showers, we have tried it, do it occasionally, but I can't do the mouth thing. Makes me gag to even think of it. But each to their own.

[BDSM_Tourguide]

You CAN drink piss and it probably won't hurt you, but when you consider the actual chemical makeup of it, I don't know why in the hell you'd want to. Unless, of course, you were adrift in a liferaft or something.

Urine gets its name from urea, a hydrous ammonia compund. Also mixed in with urea, just to add some flavor, there are ketones, broken down bits of whatever indigestible liquid content you may have eaten or drunk, including but not limited to, alcohol, sugars, ionic salts and, if memory serves, dead white blood cells. It's not something I'd want to actually swallow personally. Taking it orally I could see, but not actively drinking it.

Feces is another story altogether. The health risks of feces are numerous. Many parasitic infections are passed through feces, as well as about five thousand strains of bacteria. The most malevolant of which is e coli, which does occur naturally in the human digestive tract, but below the stomach. It is when e coli is introduced into the stomach that you have all kinds of problems, like FindingFantasy was saying.

I would definitely not recommend ingesting feces or even putting it into your mouth. It's just not worth the risks.

You can also visit the other thread on this very subject and read mine and other peoples' posts on this topic, here.

[BDSM_Tourguide]

You CAN drink piss and it probably won't hurt you, but when you consider the actual chemical makeup of it, I don't know why in the hell you'd want to. Unless, of course, you were adrift in a liferaft or something.

Urine gets its name from urea, a hydrous ammonia compund. Also mixed in with urea, just to add some flavor, there are ketones, broken down bits of whatever indigestible liquid content you may have eaten or drunk, including but not limited to, alcohol, sugars, ionic salts and, if memory serves, dead white blood cells. It's not something I'd want to actually swallow personally. Taking it orally I could see, but not actively drinking it.

Feces is another story altogether. The health risks of feces are numerous. Many parasitic infections are passed through feces, as well as about five thousand strains of bacteria. The most malevolant of which is e coli, which does occur naturally in the human digestive tract, but below the stomach. It is when e coli is introduced into the stomach that you have all kinds of problems, like FindingFantasy was saying.

I would definitely not recommend ingesting feces or even putting it into your mouth. It's just not worth the risks.

You can also visit the other thread on this very subject and read mine and other peoples' posts on this topic, here.

After further research into this matter, I have decided to make a full retraction to my statements involving the drinking of urine. From everything I can find, it seems to me that the practice is quite safe and may have beneficial effects.

Please consider the following:

http://www.heartlandhealing.com/page...urine_therapy/
http://www.abc.net.au/science/correx/archives/piss.htm
http://www.theargus.co.uk/the_argus/...EATURES34.html
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~issues/fall02/urine.html

It seems that my high school and college biology classes might have been wrong on this issue. Or perhaps in the last ten years, the available information and research has offered new opinions and studies on the sunject. I don't know.

What I do know is that I was apparently wrong. This activity appears to be relatively safe.

[Kallie Thomas]

Originally posted by sm4hg
So there is a risk eating that.
But surely, as long as the "delivering" person is healthy, it`s not a big risk.

I have to disagree. As Tourguide says, e Coli is present in the lower digestive tract of healthy individuals. It's not an indicator of poor health. In addition, you can find Group B Strep (present in the digestive tracts of app. 35% of healthy women), Giardia duodenalis (which can be hosted in the intestines of a symptomless individual, and can cause severe illness lasting weeks to months), Hepatitis A (which, again, can be carried by folks who show no symptoms), Hepatitis E, and dozens of others.

Again, no judgment call on the behavior, but e Coli is a lousy way to die.

Kallie

[amberbamber]

MistressJudy,

I've heard of a few people doing this but I've also heard it can be dangerous. Although I have done this before and have fantasies of my Mistress forcing me to do this. I guess the thing to worry about is introducing certain lower intestine bacteria into the upper intestine. I hear this can make you pretty sick. I've read some on this and it seems it depends on how much you ingest and how often you engage in this activity.

Have fun and feel free to contact me to talk more about this subject if you like..

amber

[Glibc]

Originally posted by DomDoc
I use my slave as full toilet. this turn her on. she eat the shit rom my ass and from the floor or from a bowl like the bitch she is

And they say romance is dead...

[HarryBerg01]

Over the years I've swallowed urine on many occassions without ill effect. Maybe a little nausea after I've drained several full bladders in a short period of time.
At a recent bi-sexual group event, several of we subs were taken to a large shower room, directed to kneel while a number of male and female dominants pissed in our open mouths. At points we were directed to hold a mouthful then share it with the male or female at our side. That was hot.
I find swallowing a mouthful of piss a serious turn on. And there's that wonderful feeling you get when a master empties his bladder deep inside your ass.
On the other hand, scat whether vomit or feces is not a turn on to me and I wouldn't even consider it. It's a serious stomach churning health risk.
There's obviously a market for scat. Take a look at


http://www.scatinbrazil.com

[MrJerseyGuy]

Just a quick reply to Amber's comment. I would question the validity of "How much you ingest" being a factor. How much do you have to ingest to get a bacteria? I hear they are pretty small!

[amberbamber]

MrJerseyGuy,
This is just what I read from someone that was pretty knowledgeable on the subject. The more you ingest the more bacteria your body has to deal with and they harder it could be on you. Your body can handle a small amount of alcohol but too much and you get alcohol poisoning. My information is just what I was told. Doctors opinions are going to vary as well. One doctor tells you one thing while another tells you something different. I have never heard of anyone dying from it but then people die from flu shots. If your not the healthiest person then maybe it's not a good idea for you.
It would seem that some people are very into this and they dont seem to be dropping like flies so who knows. If your totally into this kind of thing then maybe you should do a lot of research before trying it. A lot of things in the bdsm can be very dangerous.....so, there you go.

[Kallie Thomas]

Actually, people die from oral/fecal contact all the time. Every time you see an e Coli outbreak on the news, there's a good chance the cause was a food handler who didn't wash after wiping. Hep A outbreaks at daycares and schools are usually caused by poor hygeine/oral-fecal transmission.

We're not talking huge scads of shit. We're talkiing the tiniest bit on an unwashed hand. Bacteria isn't like alchohol or drugs--it proliferates, grows, multiplies in favorable environments. So all it takes is a microscopic bit to kill. And believe me, e Coli kills.

Kallie

[BDSM_Tourguide]

I also have to disagree with you, amber. FF has had e coli poisoning and I can assure you she did not gulp down a turd to get it. She ate some mexican food that had been prepared by a cook that had failed to properly maintain a healthy workplace hygeine.

And, yes, Kallie is right. Bacteria are a lot different from alcohol. A 20 ml vial of some of the more malevolent bacteria or virii could devastate the population of a major metropolitan city. That about the same as one tablespoon.

Bacteria, unlike alcohol, do not have to be consumed in quantity to be effective. They'll just reproduce to a level that will eventually cause sickness and disease. No further exposure is required.

And, you're right, there are a lot of dangerous things in BDSM, or in the world in general. That's why you steer clear of them unless you know damned sure what you're doing.

After all, would you just strap on a parachute and hop out of a plane at 15,000 feet without a lesson first?

[amberbamber]

Yes, all good points by both of you.

Do either of you have an idea of how many people in this world give rim jobs? Millions! And if all of them died there would not be hardly any of the population left in this world. There are also a small group that are into scat and they don’t seem to be dropping dead every day. So your information is true about e-coli but yet the two don’t make sense. This is not a activity I do but have done once in my past. I'm just trying to say don't find all the facts you can just by asking on a web board. Some of the things you guys are saying don’t make logical sense with the amount of people that perform rim jobs. Everyday in America there are millions of food workers that don’t wash their hands but yet millions of people are not dying every day or getting e-coli. So I agree what you say is right but it must not be that easy to get the virus from feces.

I have a friend that is a doctor of chemistry. And he's still going to school for who knows what. He told me that washing your hands doesn’t kill hardly any germs. Anti bacterial soaps are a joke to say the least. The best thing is when we rub our hands together with a paper towel and the heat and friction kill more bacteria than anything. Just because we all think something works doesn’t mean it does but it sure helps companies make money when they get us to believe in things like anti bacterial soap. So who knows.

The facts seems to be that people to practice this fetish as well as rimming and we don’t have a mass outbreak of e-coli in this country. How can you explain that?
I'm not saying I disagree with your points. Just that it doesn’t make logical sense. I think we agree you need to know what you are doing and learn all you can before doing something that "might" be extremely dangerous. Maybe that’s the bottom line. And if your only source of information is us on this board than maybe you have bigger issues ; )

To all those into this act......good luck in your information search. Talk to as many people as you can before jumping off into it.
Look and learn before you leap. I don’t think it's possible to do to much research. The best you could do would be to talk to a lot of people into this fetish as well as talk to more than one doctor on the issue. Thats where I would start. Have fun : )

amber

[Master514]

I have a friend that is a doctor of chemistry. And he's still going to school for who knows what. He told me that washing your hands doesn’t kill hardly any germs. Anti bacterial soaps are a joke to say the least

You misunderstood. Bacterial walls are made of lipoproteins (mostly grease) which are dissolved by soap. Antibacterial soaps are a joke only in the sense that it is a pleonasm. All soaps are, by definition, antibacterial. And yes, soap does kill a whole lot of 'germs". I won't have any chemist tell me the opposite. I have a B.Sc. in biochemistry and a M.Sc. in microbiology and the "clean/dirty fingers on a TSA plate" experiment is old as microbiology itself. This question is not in the chemistry's department. A chemisty Ph.D. should shut up on this, otherwise it's like asking a psychology professor to express his opinion on whether the construction of a given bridge will stand tornadoes.

Bottom line: soaps are very effective ''germ" killers (if this is to be understood as bacteria and viruses). The NHI says so and it's every doctor's proven way of avoiding serial infection when going from a patient to another. With proper contact (i.e.: what matters the most is time), soap gets rid of more than 95%+ of the common bacteria found on hands as well as most envelopped viruses.

Do either of you have an idea of how many people in this world give rim jobs? Millions! And if all of them died there would not be hardly any of the population left in this world. There are also a small group that are into scat and they don’t seem to be dropping dead every day. So your information is true about e-coli but yet the two don’t make sense

Wrong again.

The human body can defend itself against bacteria and it often loses the war because of quantity. French kiss someone who has the flu and you'll get the virus. Chances are you won't develop it b/c your body can control it. French kiss 20 people with the flue... and you most likely will develop it. Quantity, I said.

Same thing b/w a rim job and eating shit. 80% of the shit is pure bacteria. 20% is made of fibers, dead cells, etc. Ingurgitating grams or hundreds of grams of bacteria is way different comparing to licking a zone infested with bacteria. Plus, in the 2nd case you also expose the bacteria to saliva which acts like an added defense, altough a mild one.

Bottom line: expect a much higher illness rate in toilets than in rim job givers. The two things don't quite compare because minimal infections quantity is an important variable in epidemiology.


By the way, E. coli is the correct way of writing it (The dot and the E/c capitalization are strictly non negociable).

[BDSM_Tourguide]

... between putting your tongue one someone's asshole after they've just washed it and/or had an enema (in the case of porno) and chomping down someone's dropping. It's kind of like comparing kittens to lions.

But, hey, if you think it's all good and safe, then by all means go do it and have fun. Just remember, everyone that plays Russian Roulette loses eventually. It's your crap shoot, no pun intended, if you feel perfectly safe playing with your health like that, then you go right ahead.

I will say this, though. Your friend is an idiot. You don't eliminate more germs from heat and friction than with soap and water. In fact, if you tried the paper towel method mentioned before in your post, you'd wind up icking up more germs off the paper towel than you would killing anything. An interesting point though, is that there's really no such thing as antibacterial soap, because all soap (and most anything that makes a lather) will kill most bacteria, but more importantly, it will remove the minute traces of dirt and other matter from your skin that provide the breeding ground for bacteria.

Besides, your body is covered in billions and billions of innocuous bacteria anyway. You couldn't survive without them. If you eliminated all the bacteria from your body, you'd die. Simple as that.

There's no e coli outbreak for a multitude of reasons. One is that e coli is not communicable. You can't catch it from the air or from, say, shaking hands with someone that has an e coli infection. You CAN get it from feces, though. In fact, I'm looking through some web pages on scat play while I am writing this and I'm seeing a lot of them mention that you probably shouldn't eat it just to be safe. Oh, and all those porn videos out there that show someone eating feces, just remember you can turn the camera off and do loads of special effects. Just because it looks like someone's muching a butt nugget doesn't necessarily mean that what they're really chewing on isn't a Baby Ruth bar.

But again, I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm only posting an advisory for your health and the health of anyone else who reads this.

More information on scat play and the ingesting of feces can be found here, here, here, here, here and here.

[scdon]

I am not the most experienced toilet but I have eaten a lot more shit than most people I know - indeed, more than most people period.

Anyway, I have never gotten sick and many of my toilet friends have never gotten sick. Maybe we are lucky, who knows. I wonder sometimes if the risk is not overstated simply to discourage it.

Just my thoughts.

[BDSM_Tourguide]

Originally posted by scdon
I wonder sometimes if the risk is not overstated simply to discourage it.

It's not, but go for it anyway, dude.

[Finding_Fantasy]

Just because you have e coli does not mean that you will die. I had it and I am still here but holy hell was I sick!

Not every infection you can get will kill you but it can make you ill. Perhaps that unexplained stomach ache is something a little more? Don't feel good for some unexplained reaon? Well, you never know.

I just can't see taking the risk of beconing seriously ill or worse, dead. But that is my opinion. I guess you won't really know how serious it can be until you do get sick...or die but by then it would be too late.

[Kallie Thomas]

I'm not saying I disagree with your points. Just that it doesn’t make logical sense. I think we agree you need to know what you are doing and learn all you can before doing something that "might" be extremely dangerous. Maybe that’s the bottom line. And if your only source of information is us on this board than maybe you have bigger issues ; )

Eating shit can make you very ill. It can kill you. The problem we have here is the difference between "can" and "will." No one said "will."

Let me put it another way. Pretty much everything in life can be viewed in terms of risk reduction. Breastfeeding a child for a minimum of one year reduces the risk of necrotizing enterocolitis, dental caries, asthma, diabetes, various cancers, morbid obesity, visual defects, attention deficit disorders, vaccine reactions, Crohn's disease, and chronic ear infections. NOT breastfeeding does not guarantee that a child will suffer all these things. But there is a markedly higher risk.

Eating shit does not guarantee that you will contract e Coli, giardia, hepatitis, etc. But eating shit does increase the risk dramatically.

Not all smokers get cancer. In fact, the majority don't. But not smoking definitely lessens the risk. And not eating human shit vastly reduces the risk of contracting fecal-born diseases.

I often hear the "well, I do it and I'm fine" argument. A lot of people smoke, too, and they're fine--heck, my grandfather smoked for 76 years--died at 89 of a non-smoking related illness. Just because someone can do something and not get ill doesn't make it a safe or smart thing to do.

And I didn't read a solitary web article to reach these conclusions. I went to college for 8 years

Kallie

[Sadorae]

I am sure that you enjoy this type of play however, I am concerned about the safety and health issues of this particualr activity.

First and foremost feces (shit) is waste, it can carry many types of bacteria. E.coli, C-Difficial, to name a few. Once these are passed to another person they can and usually do develop MRSA or VRE. These are only 2 of the most deadly strains, btoh are treated with 4th generation antibiotics, *IF* the person's immune system can take it.

I would never, ever want to risk the chance of giving *ANY* diease to anyone, it is not worth it.

This is only *MY* opinion, if you are into this more power to you, but it is just as risky as sex without a condom. Russian roulette.

[AndrewBlack]

E coli is a normal commensal bacterium, part of your intestinal flora, we all have millions upon millions of them. The one synonymous with disease is a particular variant 157 which not all of us have.

You can only get MRSA or VRE from someone who has them, and then you are more likely to develop a carrier status than become dangerously ill. It is not possible by looking at someone to know what bugs have colonised their gut.

Yes, pathological organisms such as C. Difficile or Giardia, or Salmonella, Shigella or Campylobacter for that matter, can easily be caught by eating infected faeces and you never know who will be a carrier for these.

Like unprotected sex it's a compete lottery; I would find it difficult to recommend to someone.

[Sadorae]

You are absolutley right, you can't tell what someone has growing in their intestinal track, however I can tell you that as far as MRSA and VRE, from a clinical standpoint they can be transmitted from eating feces.

What many people do not understand is that the medical community are seeing many ways in which 'bugs' are able to enter the body in ways that were not known before. Its a fact. Everytime we have a patient in the hospital with MRSA it's cultured, guess what? 9 out of 10 times it shows up in feces first.
Not to mention that it means isolation precautions; the reason for that is because it is highly contagious.

I won't even go into HBV or HBC, but the point is, practicing this activity is as *RISKY*.

[restraint]

i guess like all things...be respectfull of others preferences and walk away.

There were many things that repulsed me a few years back, and now some of them are my biggest turn ons! In regards to "Toilet slavery"......umm......not my thing, but if a Domina were to command it i guess the situation would dictate the response.

A lot of us do things that break the "safe / sane" barrier as seen by vanilla members of the community. It would be sad to see us judging others within our own community.